I wouldnt be against spending every pick from 2nd round to 7th on oline, one of the guys we draft has to be good.
Okay, we take a RB, but project this out. We now have another year to look forward to in which we have no decent potential QB on the horizon to groom. We miss a whole year of being able to have this guy work with Chad and learn the playbook, not to mention actually throw the ball in pre-season games. It's either that or go for a QB in later rounds. But we still have the O-line to address, right? Especially if we've got this great RB. So we pick up some O-line help in Round 2 and 3 and take a QB in Round 4 or 5 or so. Okay, Tom Brady was Round 6, but what are the odds of us finding that guy? If we don't do that, there's always next year's draft. But since we only go, say, 7-9 this year, our 1st Round pick in '07 is #15 overall and maybe there are no decent QB's available. So now we have to pull a DeWayne Robertson and bundle up multiple mid-round picks with our #1 to move up... no thanks. Don't you see my point? The moon and the stars are all lined up for us this year. We've got #4 and there are 3 good QB's coming out besides Reggie Busch. That means there's no way we don't get one of those four guys. I say we have to take advantage of that and go for it. With our needs, we're 2 years away from contention anyway, at the very least.
And next year is projecting to be an even better year for QBs, getting a QB this year or next year doesn't matter if this rebuild will take multiple years. The only way I see us NOT being in position to draft a QB next year, if that is the root we go is if Mangini turns into Belichick overnight, and whoever our QB is next year pulls out a miracle, but you as well as I know that will probably not be the case.
Out of sheer curiosity I post this. Where infact do we get the money to sign any QUALITY Offensive Lineman, especially when we are still after cuts (only the current ones) nearly 25 million over the cap. Trade or long term contract for Abe put's us at roughly 18 to 19 million over I'll assume, and, if we do it your way and draft a QB, your basically tying up almost 16 Million in the QB position for a team that has no offense... How do we make this work FISCALLY. Ellis
good post Ellis! My plan (contrary to some other's opinion) is a two-three year plan. I say build the lines - starting at NT. If you are going to have an effective 3-4 defense, you need a monster NT, and Ngata is the ONLY one in the top 60 who projects as an impact NT. Robertson was a miss, but you can't stop trying because of one miss. Ngata is bigger and stronger than Robertson. He's got the tools to be an impact DL. As I said, if you can trade down and trade Abe, there are Olinemen available and LB's in the late 1st and all of the 2nd round. With Jones at LT you can draft a run driving RT. I say sign Bentley as our Center, and with Brandon Moore still on board you've got 4/5ths of your Oline. With Ellis and Thomas flanking Ngata, you have your Dline. Where does Robertson fit? Who knows? We need young LB's to go with Barton and Wilma, and maybe Hobson. What do we need at DB? We have good young talent at CB and S. The real need will be at the skill positions after we fix the lines. Has anyone ever heard of BRADY QUINN? If this is a lost year, and we can put the young guys out there and clear up the cap, and start building the lines, then with the #1 overall pick of the 2007 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select Brady Quinn, quarterback - Notre Dame! That's my idea of rebuilding...
It's funny. There have been so many debates about which player to draft. It seems to me that it depends on the post to get the reaction about the player in topic. By that , I mean, if the post is about V. Young, then you read a lot of "this is the QB we need" but few other positions are mentioned. If it is a RB post then it doesn't stray too far from the O side of the ball. There seems to be NO general consensus about which player/position we need to pick first. Even if it is a poll it seems that those who contribute are the ones that want someone on that side of the ball. I say we need SO MUCH that it will be a win/win for us this year provided we don't pick a safety or a kicker etc. This should be good for us no matter who we get. Even if it is a trade down.
Agreed. There are so many different ways the team can go. We pretty much can't lose... ...wait a minute, these are the Jets we're talking about...
Hey now. Although I agree I have to have a bit of optimism. I've been following this team for so long I have gotten used to being let down but not since the hiring of BP have I had this much optimism. God, please don't f**k this up!
No there won't, you just haven't heard about them yet, but they are there and will challenge Quinn for the top QB spot. So far the only one that has gotten hype is Quinn, that is why you have only heard about him so far.
Here's a scouting report on Haloti Ngata from Football About.com ...smart and tough... Haloti Ngata is a veritable mountain of a man in the middle of the defensive line, and has the strength to throw around guards when he's getting into the backfield. He also has great burst and agility to get through the line when brute force isn't enough. Ngata's coaches also call him among the most intelligent athletes they've ever seen, and he uses that intelligence to his full advantage, showing an ability to read play-action passes or where runs are going better than nearly anyone at his level of development, and better than many NFL linemen. Ngata also will refuse to give up on plays and doesn't take any off. He also has a rare ability among defensive linemen that he doesn't lose much from his play if he's on the field and hurting. Negatives: The only real negative about Ngata is that he tore an ACL in his sophomore year, which is always a concern for someone his age. However, he came back claiming that his damaged knee was stronger post-rehab than his healthy knee was, and no proof to the contrary has come out through his play. Overview: Haloti Ngata has been described as a quiet, but good-natured football player, which is never a bad thing to see. With his size and the tools he has, he will be a valuable pickup for any NFL franchise looking for a high-flight DT to add to their roster. Barring future complications from his previous knee surgery, he should be an NFL star for years to come.Suggested Reading
For some reason I seem to have more confidence this year in a Tannenbaum/Mangini draft than I did in previous Bradway/Edwards drafts. Maybe I should have my head examined, but I'd like to think these two will do their homework and actually formulate a proactive plan for a comeback through intelligent draft picks and offseason acquisitions and not just react in "poke and hope" fashion. A good example was tading up three picks, two of which were first rounders, for DeWayne Robertson. I remember watching my TV that day and thinking, "WTF? This guy better be Superman." I certainly hope I'm not wrong but I'd like to think Tannenbaum and Mangini will use the right amount of intelligent scouting, Cap analysis and deal-making skills to build this team the right way, from the ground up. It'll take some time, though, and there'll be plenty of mistakes along the way.
Yea but they'll be guys that shoot up the draft boards towards midseason and the end of the season. (Cutler) so why not just get one of those guys this year?
Reason... there is that guy every year, and the chances he actually pans out (Boeller, Losman, Ramsey, Tommy Maddox.. etc) are slim to none.
Because of our cap situation especially if the Chad situation won't workout. We have so many holes and to invest the little cap room on only one position isn't good, I'll rather wait on the starting QB and can get two starters on the offensive side of the ball instead.
because from my vantage point the quality of QB that will come out next year will have more Pro ready QB's like Leinhart in it than this one will Quinn - ND Palmer - UTEP Stanton - MSU those are 3 right off the top of my head that will headline the draft next year
I'm sorry, but i can't see either palmer or stanton really going that high. Especially stanton, and thats probably gonna piss off msu.
I'd rather shave my entire body with a rusty blade and take a shower in 90% alcohol than watch the Jets go Defense again with our first pick....
