If this list weren't virtually all Yankees, Orioles, and Mets, it would be a lot more believable. I'm sure all those players did it and will keep doing it, but I just don't see the point of releasing names when it's clear that a ton of players did it who aren't listed.
I understand that you seem very eager to exonerate the players on your favorite team, which is a whole other level of missing the point.
Bingo. That's the point. EVERY team has guys who did it. Just a small handful of teams are identified here.
You totally miss the point. It's not a pissing contest. He has had two full years to produce a complete report. He obviously hasn't done that. Additionally, they said earlier in the week that no names would be included that weren't accompanied by corroborating evidence. Obviously that's not the case either.
Maybe the reason that no big stars of the Sox are named is because none of them are users? Or because if they are, they aren't supplied by any of Mitchell's sources? This is from the report- He's not exactly an "employee" other than maybe from the business side of it.
I don't think it should effect the report's validity. To me, it just indicates that they couldn't get close to any other dealers.
Are you really F***ING serious? You have to be just screwing with me. You honestly believe that no Red Sox are users? Seriously? BTW: I don't care how he paints it, it's called Conflict of Interest for a reason.
That's how I should have worded it. They had a few sources, got all the information they could from those sources, and they released this. Obviously those sources had heavy influence in the Yankees, Orioles, and Mets' dugouts. Is it possible that no Red Sox player did steroids? Sure. Is it likely? No (Eric Gagne, Brendan Donnelly, and Paxton Crawford).
I sat through this whole damn thing with Mitchell and McLaren and they never said a damn thing. Thanks for telling me that steroids are dangerous and kids have used it. It's widespread? No kidding. What a waste of time.
And there WERE players on the Sox named maybe not current, but still associated with the Sox organization. From memory, Vaughn, Gagne, Donnelly, Alexander, Stanton, Mercker and Clemens all played for the Sox at some point. Gagne and Donnelly were there this year. Mitchell even shows that Epstien knew about Gagne when they went to trade for him, which hurts his (Epstien) credibility and that of the Sox organization. To say he purposely ignored or kept out Sox players is ridiculous.
Sorry... this guy is a hack with an agenda... this is the same guy who was made into a complete horses ass by Ollie North during Iran Contra...
Right. I mean, Bonds isn't on this list. The only info is from Radomski, Macnamee...this isn't taking into account the dozens of other places that major leaguers have recieved steroids from. This isn't a list of ALL players who have recieved steroids, just the ones who recieved them from these particular sources. Edit: Actually, Bonds is on the list, but my point still stands.
I decided to make a list of names that were highlighted on the report...so those can see the names. Im not sure if others are mentioned throughout the report in detail but the ones i noticed in bold or underlined i added together marvin benard Barry Bonds bobby estalella Jason Giambi Jeremy Giambi Benito Santiago Gary Shefffield Randy Velarde Lenny dykstra david segui larry bigbie brian roberts jack cust tim laker josias manzanillo todd hundley mark carreon hal morries matt franco rondell white roger clemens andy pettite chuck knoblauch jason grimsley gregg zaun david justice F.P. Santangelo Glenallen Hill Mo Vaughn Denny Neagle Ron Villone Ryan Franklin Chris Donnels Todd williams phil hiatt Todd pratt kevin young mike lansing cody mckay kent mercker adam piatt miguel tejada jason christiansen MIKE STANTON stephen randolph Jerry Hairston Jr Paul Lo duca Adam Riggs Bart Miadich Feranando Vina KEVIN BROWN Eric Gagne Mike bell Matt Herges Gary Bennett jr Jim Parque Brendan Donnelly Chad Allen Jeff Williams Howie Clark Exavier "Nook" Logan Daniel Naulty Rick Ankiel David Bell Paul Byrd Jose Canseco Jay Gibbons Troy Glaus Jose guillen Darren holmes gary Matthews jr John Rocker Scott Schoenweiss ismael valdez matt williams scott woodward
In fairness, he did say that every club has players who did it. So it's just a matter of him not having Sox players names. What's really pissing me off now is this piece, posted on ESPN.com: What Mitchell specifically said was that McNamee's lawyer was present for 3 of 4 of the meetings with himself and federal investigators. This whole thing is a shitstorm.
Red Sox on the list: Manny Alexander Mike Spinelli Paxton Crawford Jeremy Giambi Josias Manzanillo Roger Clemens Mo Vaughan Chris Donnels Mike Lansing Kent Mercker Mike Stanton Eric Gagne Brendon Donnelly Steve Woodard
This should just be called the "Lets destroy everyone in the AL East but the Red Sox" report... I knew Bud hates the Yankees but Jesus Christ....
I didn't say no Red Sox were users. I said it's possible that none of their STARS are. The faces of the franchise are Manny, Ortiz, Papelbon, Beckett, and Schilling. None of them have been named or even remotely implicated outside of Yankee fan's speculation and hope and certainly not by common sense. Other guys like Donnelly, Gagne, Garciaparra, Nixon, Vaughn, Merker, Clemens, Kapler, etc. all play/played for the Sox and have either been named or are logical candidates to have used. I still don't see the conflict of interest since he doesn't DO anything for the Sox and he basically slammed Epstien for going after guys knowing they were users.
