1. Cannot argue this point. Gotta get some talent in the line, specifically at LG and RG. 2. I think Quarterbacks have had more busts then RB from what I have noticed the past few years. QB's who have not panned out after being taken in Round 1 in RECENT YEARS(No need to go back to the Ryan Leaf, Cade McCown, and Akili Smith days. :rofl2: ) David Carr Joey Harrington Patrick Ramsey Byron Leftwich Kyle Boller Rex Grossman JP Losman(BUF took Edwards in Round 3, thats how much they trust him) On The Bubble but not looking good Mike Vick(He was a great athlete and player, not the best QB. Now his career is in full jeopardy) Eli Manning(He is a bust regarding where he was taken, but he isnt getting helped at all this year. But VERY up and down) Phillip Rivers(He is with Manning, not living up to A top 5 pick and is really up and down despite the long waiting) Alex Smith(I was very close to put him on the bust list, but he needs 1 more year to decide that) Jason Campbell On The Bubble completely Matt Leinart(Meh hes just there. Cant comment THAT much on him due to the injury this year but Coach Whisenhunt seems to have lost trust in him) Jay Cutler(He is up and down. He needs help in Denver) Vince Young(VERY inconsistent, he needs even more help in Tenn) Aaron Rodgers(Poor kid will be 30 when he gets to start a game at this rate) Brady Quinn(I think he will be a stud but I know most of the forum disagrees. Too young to make an opinion of him) JaMarcus Russell(Too young to make an opinion of him) I can only safely say Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger were the only Round 1 QB's who have been studs. I guess I can have Chad Pennington in this area, he was a nice player for us.... While for the RBs since the 2000 Draft, you have studs or great players like: LaDainian Tomlinson Larry Johnson Stephen Jackson Shaun Alexander Marshawn Lynch Adrian Peterson Joseph Addai Willis McGahee Jamal Lewis RBs who have shown great results just hurt often: Deuce McCallister Michael Bennett(He made the pro bowl and had a great career until the injuries took him) Kevin Jones(Hes not on those guys level, but he is a productive RB when healthy.) Ronnie Brown(He is a beast just hes the lone weapon in Miami so he gets insane carry amount) Caddy Williams(Same as his Auburn Partner) Laurence Maroney(You can see that he can be a Pro Bowler, but the injuries just ruin him. Doesnt help his stats that he's in a ultra passive offensive.) The only busts I can think off the top of my head is: William Green Trung Candidate Chris Perry TJ Duckett Ron Dayne ????: Reggie Bush, Cedric Benson and DeAngelo Williams are completely in the air. Thomas Jones is a wierd case. He looked like a bust, but since going to CHI he showed the promise and he has not gotten help since becoming a Jet. He is like all by himself in his own catagory. 3. You can really say that about every position, just drafting a player or RB in this case just gives you a better chance of the player panning out. Dont always want to rely on late round pick ups to build a team because your prayers wont always be answered. 4. Depends on how they are used and the amount of carries a RB gets..........You can say Kickers and Punters have the shortest lifespan in the NFL since they are pretty easy to nab, alot of kickers are undrafted or picked up in the late, late rounds so if a kicker has a bad year or two, they can just be replaced easily. 5. Oh I am with you on that there BUT its not like this is our only pick. We can use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on that, Parcells/Jerry Jones drafting style in Dallas was to NEVER take a lineman in Round 1 and work with drafting them in Round 2-4. You can also make smart gambles in FA. Having a great RB to go to constantly is a pleasure to have and something that is a must. You cant keep begging for the Defense to bail you out, as they will soon feel the fatigue. RB help you win the battle of field position.
Grant is successful because GB has at least three playmakers - Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and of course Brett Farve. Grant is good but is even better because defenses prepare for a 40-pass days from Farve. If you're talking about the Browns, they spent some big bucks on G Eric Steinbech - a position we can solidify as well in FA - and drafted Joe Thomas but have top 10 picks in Winslow, Edwards and a big-time arm with Derek Anderson. Ditto with Pittsburgh. The Jets need a serious influx of talent and I don't understand why it matters which position a team chooses to attack in a rebuilding mode. If we draft McFadden - I'd be happy with Long, Gholston or McFadden - than we'd simply focus pick No.2 on defense or the offensive line. I'm happy if OL,DL and a offensive playmaker needs are met on Day 1. Means no difference which order they come in. By drafting McFadden we might aquire one of the rising backs in the game while sticking him behind a young and possible above average line with the right additions - in 2008.
Yeah exactly, when you have a great offensive line you can make average running backs look good. The Colts can put a middle of the road back as there starter and he will have some nice games because teams play there safties 15 yards back to prevent the deep play. And Yes a lot of Grant's sudden outburst is due to the talent around him, but no other Packer RB was able to do anything before he came. So I give him some credit. I do think if Mcfadden is there we take him, but Gholston is going to be a force also.
you could find good arguments that says the difference on any of your points, but since i?m sure somebody did that already (did read anything, since it?s always the same). Instead i got one question, who should we pick there? Gholston? i like him, but i don?t think he?s worth a top 5 pick. C.Long? He just doesn?t fit the sceme. J. Long? 2 OTs in 3 years in the top 5? Dorsey? see C.Long. Yeah, McFadden ist the sexy pick, cuz he?s the most talented guy, and none of the other top projects seems to be a good pick, we should go with the most talented guy, or as you say, the sexy pick. We can take care about the O-Line throu FA and later rounds.
JWWS, I have seen you knock many of them out of the park, but this one flies further than most. I think this would be a year to trade down, IMO. If McFadden truly is the real deal like Adrian Peterson, many scouts are drooling into their GM's ears right about now.
The Jets have so many needs they should draft the highest rated player on their board with every pick, and if it includes RB and QB that should be the pick. What we do with the dead weight on this team, both players and coaches, along with FA is going to have more impact on next years team than the upcoming draft anyway.
Gentlemen, not to be rude but, if we substitute the name McFadden with Bush, we have the same thread that we had two years ago. I know that he is currently the "Sexy" pick, but is he the RIGHT pick for us? Now I've heard a lot of talk about a game-breaker. At running-back, Leon W has done a decent job at that considering how poorly our offensive line has played. Look at his long runs and imagine just one more block and you'll begin to understand where I'm coming from. Jones is more a smash mouth type running back that will wear a defense out if our Offensive line can give him the holes (or at least drive the defensive players back a few yards). With our current team makeup, looking for a game-breaker at running back would be a mistake. I'd much rather find a WR that's 6'5" and runs like a deer. We haven't had a game-breaking WR since the Westly Walker era. A big play WR will open up the field for our other WR's (underneath, crossing routes or perhaps our tight end up the middle?) and help our running game (play action streaks?) by forcing teams to keep a safety back to avoid the quick strike. Add in the height for the "Jump Ball" fade in the end-zone (or any other situation) and suddenly, we have a force to consider. Now with all that being said, is there anybody coming up in the draft that fits that bill?
O-line, D-line and a big fast WR to stretch the field for Clemens. I love Cotch and Coles but there strengths are running good routes..possession type receivers.Virginia's DE Long and Texas WR Sweed are on the top of my Christmas list.
no if there would be a dominant D-Liner that fits the 34 or a Clavin Johnson type WR, or anything else, we wouldn?t talk that much about DMac
Damn, figures. Oh well, if the perfect player was available, the team right ahead of us would pick him anyway.
The reason I would draft McFadden is becasue the Jets realy have had ZERO star players since Al Toon. Don't get me wrong...C-Mart was a star and a workhorse grind in out type of player, but he was not the type of player that can change the game with one touch. That's what McFadden is...he plays just like Peterson and look what he has done. Can he turn into Blair Thomas, sure but I still think it's the chance we need to take. There is just to much upside with McFadden. As for the O-Line...I would go the FA rout with that, but there is always that high pick in the 2nd round to address the need.
I'm always of the opinion of filling some necessary holes with FA like the OL and draft BPA on draft day that is of course if you didn't decide to miss free agency. If we've fill some of the holes on the lines on both sides of the field I don't think it is necessarily bad to spend it on McFadden. I mean if you get some ridiculous offer to trade down you take it. but i think we're a little to far away from the draft to have a set in stone strategy.
You needn't worry about the Jets drafting McFadden. There is absolutely no chance they would spend the money and have that much tied up in RBs.
Well, that's the thing. McFadden backers, like me, see him as the kind of special player that transforms an ehh offense into a powerhouse. Look at San Diego during their last few winning seasons. They really have almost nothing without Tomlinson; Aside from Gates their top offensive threats have been Eric Parker, the ghost of Keenan McCardell, and a clusterfuck of undrafted recievers. True, decent runningbacks can be found anywhere. Jones and Washington could be decent RBs. But people who have seriously followed McFadden see him as a once-in-a-decade type player, and you can't pass up on that.
Don't worry about it. The Jets will find a way to win a totally useless game in the next two weeks so they can make sure NE jumps ahead of them and grabs McFadden making them even more of a powerhouse for the next 5 years. It's in the cards.
We won the last game in 2005 against Buffalo in a similar situation. Kansas City at Home is a very winnable game.
Agreed. As I pointed out in an earlier response to this thread McFadden would give the jets a known IDENTITY (something they have not today!).
Thomas Jones has never been more than ordinary. I agree the line is not very good but its not like he was ringing up pro bowl receipts or setting any records. He is a career 3.9 ypc rusher with minimal impact on the passing game. Please tell me where his expectations should run parallel to McFaddens?
I don't see the point in drafting McFadden if we can't make holes for him. Thomas Jones and Leon Washington are both capable backs that can hit a hole when one exists. The holes just aren't there. I'm not against drafting McFadden but I will be unless the Jets makes moves to improve the line before they do so. I don't understand why people cant see that this can be both a good and a bad pick, it just depends on what happens in free agency that will probably be the deciding factor. The CS and FO know that the offensive line is a problem so you'd have to assume they'll make it a priority this offseason. If they don't then we have WAY bigger problems then who to draft with our first pick.
