The Justin Miller hype baffles me

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  1. lightning

    lightning Active Member

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    how about steve smith?
     
  2. The Uniform Bomber

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    this is an intriguing option.

    the one thing Coleman lacks as a FS is speed, which why I think Rhodes makes the better FS; he's long, fast, and more of a cover guy.

    Barrett has good enough size to be a Safety, and he's good in run support. but a SS? i'm not so sure about that. However, if Mangini thinks he can excel as a Safety, and there's a small learning curve, then I'm all for it. however, NE's Secondary has a more traditional FS/SS tandem versus Donnie Henderson's two FS's. It all depends on Mangini and Sutton's scheme.

    if anything, it's worth experimenting in camp (and maybe pre-season) just to see. if it doesn't work out, then move Barrett back to CB.



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  3. lightning

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    i doubt we will use NE's system because we lack a rodney harrison who can stay in the box
     
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    good point.

    but we're mostly basing Miller on potential, as well as the glimpses we saw from him last season. i think Miller showed more potential than a NB.

    furthermore, maybe Belichick passed on Miller because he didn't feel he was a "character guy" the Pats constantly seek. i'm not sure if that's the case, but we know NE always considers that in their evaluations. besides, Mangini is his own now, and maybe he'll disagree with Belichick's assessment of Miller, thinking Miller has enough upside to be one of the starting CB's.



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  5. The Uniform Bomber

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    that's exactly what i figured. the closest thing we have to Rodney Harrison - and this is a major stretch - is Maddox. I only say this because of his build and tackling/hitting ability, which I've only seen in college. the point is, the other Safeties aren't the prototypical SS (like Harrison) so Mangini may have no choice but to create a scheme that plays to these strengths.



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    I think Mangini is going to do a good job back there. He learned some valuable lessons last year after Rodney got knocked out for the season. He reacted with a very conservative scheme and was talked into releasing the hounds by Willie and Vrabel later on down the stretch. That seemed to be when their defense jumped from the 20's to the teens and even seemed to help the run defense beleive it or not. I think Eric seems to be open minded and willing to adjust to mistakes.
     
  7. ColezDeep!

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    Los of teams passed up on drafting Miller because of "off the field antics" I think he got busted throwing a party or something...but he was slated to be a 1st round CB and his stock plummeted which is good for us because he has a good combination of strength, speed and ball skills minus the punt return attempt against Jacksonville :grin:
     
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    At some point your young draft picks MUST contribute. Miller has a lot of talent, and the Jets need to try and get the most of that. Barrett is what he is: a servicable CB who will step up big, or just have a horrendous game. Miller is the future, not Barrett, and Miller needs to get the time in so that when the Jets are ready to make a run, Miller has the experience needed to help with that run.
     
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  9. The Uniform Bomber

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    exactly.

    good coaches are keen to adapting. they don't force their schemes down the players' throats; rather they mold their schemes to fit the players.

    nevertheless, Mangini is clearly replicating aspects of NE schemes by bringing in guys like Kimo, Pope, and Chatham. I don't think he's using NE's blueprint, but he's getting guys who fit that system so he at least has the personnel to implement it when he wants.

    this is why I believe Miller will eventually start; he'll be a better man-corner than Barrett when Mangini wants to play that scheme. a CB that has all-around abilities, like Miller, gives you flexibility on Defense. now, it's just a matter of Miller panning out.



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  10. hydro51

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    miller was arrested like a week before the draft.. patriots probably wouldnt have drafted him in rd 7. considerinjg herm edwards who is former cb himself and donnie henderson who is a good db evaulator both said miller has all the tools to be a great cb in the league. i will take that over you thinking miller is a career nickle back.
     
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    NO he did not. Steelers were a running team in 2004. Big Ben was horrible trying to throw the football. What a diffrence a year makes as Big Ben was a totally diffrent QB in playoffs this year. D Barrett played against 2005 version of BigBen and he would have been burnt toast.
     
  12. lightning

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    they were a running team that was shutdown for the most part during the playoffs, it's not barretts fault that he owns plaxico...plaxico is a pos anyway, why the hell do you care?
     
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    remember the game where we played the panthers ?????? Well most people dont know that steve smith lined up with miller basically the entire game. So just quiet down. TROLL
     
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    lets see any cb who can cover a wr for more than 5 seconds. barrett did shut down andre johnson and plaxico. but that was def. not last year
     
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    Yes and on his worst he let sammy parker, and kennison do the same route over and over.

    I said it once I said it again miller was matched up with the best wide reciever in the game and held his own. Steve smith = 2 catches. nuff said.
     
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    he also had safety help its not like he did it by himself.
     
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    we played a ton of zone, even with donnie, mainly because of herm

    miller's biggest weak point coming out of college was his zone coverage, it needed a good bit of work

    we still may play a decent amount of zone under mangini, maybe not, but going to a 3-4 actually helps the secondary cover deficiencies

    miller has a lot more talent than barret does, that's a fact, physically he's more gifted and coverage wise he's more fluid with his movements, barrett's basically peaked, miller hasn't come close yet
     
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    Just give it up first he cant cover, then he gets picked on. When evidence is brought up that goes against that.

    Now, he had safety help.
     
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    see you know the game im talkin about.. they were schooling him play after play all tthe way down the field for a td.. it was crazy i never seen cb get picked on like that ever before.
     
  20. smittyf350

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    first of all i didnt say shit about millers covering skills or getting picked on. im saying that he didnt cover steve smith by himself. how do you think the only people who shut down smith this year. it def wasnt one on one. name one corner who can cover steve smith by himself.
     

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