I think that's most of it. We had a pretty solid rushing offense and needed to lean hard on it with a rookie Sanchez. And just maybe Tony Sparano is considered a run-centric coach because, at least as far as his time in Miami goes, he never had a quarterback that would allow him to be anything other than that.
This why Rex is a genius. With the exception of Ghost Vagina, he's basically gotten more out of every player by setting up schemes to maximize player talent and abilities. Jets release Vilma cause "he didn't fit" Mangini's system. GangGreenNation.com The details on the Erhardt-Perkins vs other systems was a random google search I did to learn more about it. The link I posted was way better than what was on Wikipedia.
Not sure who invented it but Ground and Pound has been around for awhile as a term. http://www.packersground.com/news/titans-thrive-with-ground-and-pound-attack.php I found a bunch of other 2008 references on Bleacherreport which I chose not to link.
I think I hate any offense that needs an ampersand in the name. Fun & Gun, Run & Shoot, Ground & Pound, Trip & Fall.... and so forth.
I'm thinking that my high school team might have run Ground and Pound back in 1977. We ran the ball about 80% of the time and I'm pretty sure G&P was what we called it. Then again it might have been Bump and Grind instead. I set a million picks on the edge and spent 3 years thinking just throw me the damn ball.
I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread, so shoot me if this has been mentioned.... But what excites me about this offense is the following: Jeff Hostetler, Neil O'Donnell, Glenn Foley, Vinny Testeverde, Ray Lucas, Chad Pennington This offense allows otherwise mediocre quarterbacks to win and otherwise thrive where they have failed before. Yes, Chad was better than mediocre, but he had his best season ever in this offense. This is likely the last chance to take a step up as Jet for Mark Sanchez. History shows there is a good chance he does in this system.
I am actually becoming optimistic about Sanchez. Maybe he just needs a change like this. Oddly enough, I can see Schotty benefiting from this change as well. Jets Vs. Rams Superbowl!
ahaha - our HS offense was much the same, we rarely passed unless the game situation 100% dictated it. Luckily we had some big hogs on the o-line and were able to just overpower most teams. There were several games where our FB had over 100 yards. lol
And I am even more confused why Rex and Mr. T. kept Schotty in the first place. Why hire a guy and an offense you cannot understand? must have been a Woody call.
The Giants have proved that a good pass rush can cover a lot of sins. On offense a great QB can carry mediocre talent. The jets can draft some pass rush, if they finally decide to do it this year. The QB problem remains problematical
I am him and he is me. I wrote it on GangGreenNation. I never really expected it to be forwarded and sent around. But that's fine.
The offense looks more fluid in two minute drills... my guess... for two reasons. First, they spread the receivers out and there are usually four or five of them to choose from. Its just easier. Two, they probably practice it more and its already a limited number of plays. Poor starts... my guess... since Schotty scripted the first 10 plays and about the first 10 3rd down plays, they probably didn't get as much time to practice those plays. Especially, if Schotty drew them up specifically for the game plan rather than choosing those plays from a group of plays Sanchez has had prior success with. But who knows.
Ah, the days when the FB was the main back in the offense and the HB was the little guy you ran outside the tackles with. I was a WB and my job about 80% of the time was to get between the linebackers and our tackles and bump them so they couldn't get contact on a pulling linemen. I hated that scheme.
In terms of terminology, its probably not very different. But they are obviously looking to control the ball through short passing rather than running. Conceptually, that is more West Coast. But their playbook and terminology should be Erhardt-Perkins. They are just calling certain plays over others.
Ground and pound is not an offensive system it's a mindset. You could run the ground and pound with a number of offensive and defensive systems. The mindset being that you are going to be more physical in the trenches than your opponent and control the game by playing good defense and running the ball.
In 1984 I met a rookie running back on the Jets, and he told me that the offensive system was extremely complicated. It was so complicated, that when the plays were sent in with player substitutions, the players often couldn't remember the whole play. I believe Joe Walton was in charge of the offense that season.
Hahaha :rofl: I've been debating whether or not this philosophy is obsolete in the current state of football. With the rule changes favoring Offense, the elite QBs, Passing records being shattered, etc., it's easy to believe that "Ground & Pound" is archaic. However, it seems that every year there are successful teams embracing this style: the Ravens (although Flacco does attempt deep passes) are known for this; the 49ers marched to the NFCC with this mindset; shit, Alabama just won a National Championship using this principle. Defense, ball-control, and efficiency are both powerful and successful, even in today's NFL. I can definitely understand Rex's propensity for it.
