i dont remember if joe gibbs system had zone blocking, but he had a smash mouth run game plus coryell influenced passing attack the greatest show on turf was coryell flavored plus faulk ran like a mofo so i dont know if mutant is necessarily bad. e/p needs great defense. would have been nice first year here, but our D roster is worse at almost every spot except for cb now hope it works out
Nice! It did look a bit mad scientist-ish at times. What pissed me off was it looked that way and it wasn't running well.
The redskins did not need a zone blocking scheme, they were similar to the cowboys under jimmy Johnson. They were so big they just lined up and punched the opposition in the mouth. They did use a lot of counter and traps in their schemes.
1. As for Joe Gibbs, I do not quite think what they are saying is correct. Gibbs' Redskins had a staple play called Counter Trey, which is not how you spell zone blocking scheme. On top of that, Gibbs invented what we now call H-Back to install the power running game (1) and to neutralize the threat of Lawrence Taylor in passing situation (2). Sure, versatility is vital in any system but these two staple elements do not belong to E/P system nor does it belong to Coryell or WCO for that matter. 2. E/P can take various shape and form - it all depends on the personality of the OC, and to a lesser extent, the personnel grouping on the offensive side. While the blocking will be somewhat simpler than WCO version installed by Callahan, E/P still employs extensive number of traps and pulls. As long as Jets can find a drive blocker at the RT, LG/RG can pull and trap to their heart's content. (Read: Slauson and Moore/Ducasse won't have too much trouble in transition.) On top of that, since Ferguson is while not your typical drive-blocker, but since he is very athletic, he can spring traps in the run game pretty well too. 3. The defense does worry me. A LOT. They need to get better in a hurry. This draft should address as many key pieces as they can. Offensive players can come in through the free agency. (I am looking only at Braylon Edwards for that matter.)
This mutated offense did churn out three excellent running attacks (08, 09, 10) but it never produced a dominant yards + points pass offense. Now it makes sense why Favre, a WCO guy IIRC, came over into this experiment and was unspectacular even before he tore his bicep. Then, the next year back in his old system it was a complete 180.
Favre was pretty good the first half of the season. He basically was running a WCO though. The Jets drastically simplified the offense for him because he would have had no shot at walking in and mastering it before the season given when he signed, and the Jets were only looking at 2008 with him. There was no point to spending a year teaching him the system when he was 50/50 to retire again at the end of it. By running in the original post I meant working. I should have been more clear. The only thing the mutant ever did well was run the ball when the Jets made that commitment.
I disagree. Prior to Callahan's arrival, the Jets played a power Man blocking scheme and Moore flourished. I think he'll be just fine. Hunter definitely needs to go and probably Slauson as well. The fact that the Jets kept that mutant/hybrid POS offense is an indictment of Tanny, Rex and Schotty and doesn't excuse Schotty at all imo. To begin with his system wasn't tailored to fit the talent he had on hand with the team. When Rex came on board and wanted ground and pound, Schotty should have either completely scrapped his system and gone with a different system or resigned. He didn't help himself or the team by staying and accepting a change in blocking scheme that really didn't fit his offense, a HC who wanted a system diametrically opposed to what he wanted to do, and a team that didn't have the level of offensive talent that his system would need to thrive. Rex and Tanny get blamed for being so damned ignorant that they couldn't see that such a screwed up excuse of a system couldn't possibly work, and Tanny again for not doing a better job getting talent.
Not to mention Mark Sanchez now has 3 years of experience running nothing of value to an NFL offense. What a total clusterfuck. Draft a young QB and then spend three years teaching him how to do nothing productive.
So does this explain why playing offense for the Jets in Madden is so damn hard? and all of these players are pretty bad and never get recievers open?
Check it out, soxxx is posting in a thread that says 'inbred'! So awesome! Or it would be if he wasn't one of the twats that got bant recently. Hey soxxx, can you say India Alpha Tango Alpha?
If this makes you feel any better... I mean, this could be the harbinger of things to come: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...patriots-qb-is-merely-a-product-of-the-system (Yeah... it is the dreated BLEACHER REPORT of all shit but... you know.)
When all that crap went down there were some who thought he was 624. India Alpha Tango Alpha trying to be subtle there byz. :grin:
Ironic that Faulk played at SDSU and Coryell coached there. Not too many people know but John Madden was the DC at SDSU under Coryell. Amazing to think that he won the SB with 3 different QB's and only one of them was worth a dam.
Jets averaged 3.5 yard per carry in 2006 and 3.8 yard per carry in 2007 - I mean, guess why Callahan was brought in. The rushing attack was dismal - and that's understatement. Jets rushing attack in 2006/2007 were dismal at best. (30th and close) Maybe Moore has experience in man blocking scheme, but to say he flourished is a vast overstatement to say the very least. On top of that, Moore is getting up there in ages PLUS he is coming off hip surgeries. Maybe he can hold up for a year or two tops, but it would be very wise to bring in his replacement through draft or free agency this spring. All right - Jets had no-name scrub running the ball in 2006, but improvement in quality of RB resulted in minimal increase of average yard per carry - the running game was rather dismal. I do not think you can say that unless you have seen how it all worked behind the scenes (which you haven't.) Especially, I do not think Schottenheimer or Rex has the power to can the assistants as they see fit. If the authority over the personnel decision is upon the head coach, what do you think Tannenbaum is doing as the General Manager? If what other players have briefly said about the team (politics involved, etc) is true, then it is more than likely that Schottenheimer didn't have much choice over the QB coach/OL coach selection, just as much as Ryan did not have much choice over Schottenheimer and whatnot. MAYBE you are right - maybe Rex and Schottenheimer are responsible to some degree. What I can say for sure as of now is that Tannenbaum fucked this shit up from the get go and it stayed that way for a long, long time. And I do not think it was the talent available at the offensive side that was the entire package of problem. No. Sure, there were problems here and there, but you are misguided there. Sid Gillman offense favors a fast receiver that can get downfield in a hurry. Jets had that in Coles, and Cotchery was no slouch in that regard either. In 2007, Thomas joined the team to bolster the running game. TE position left quite a room for improvement, but with 2 good WRs and 1 good RB, along with cerebral QB of Pennington's calibre, the skill position was plenty good already. For OL, Jets had huge problem, and that was minimally addressed with Mangold and Ferguson, with no drive blocker at LG and RT. (I still remember Pete Kendall fiasco. What a fucked-up bullshit was that...) That two positions are still not filled correctly (Woody was brought in, but his replacement was not drafted - what kind of shit job is that? Tell me this stupidity does not go to Tannenbaum.) Callahan or not, the deficiency in the front office in terms of OL integrity is glaring, from the days of Bradway. When Rex came along, I am more than certain that Schottenheimer told Rex about his expertise in Chudzinski system. (It's but a variation of Gillman offense - or Air Coryell if that is your taste.) Since that offense is based on strong ground attack, I do not think Rex would have said no. I think the system of offense Rex wanted is pretty much what any Coryell disciples would bring to the table. Scrapping the system is 1. not warranted and 2. going way too far. If there was a misfit between the top of the decision making heads, that was Callahan and to a lesser degree Cavanaugh. I don't think Rex and Schottenheimer were misfits. Last, but not the least, Jets offense DID function when the necessary pieces were there. (That is, even last year's offense was functional to a degree.) When the front office keeps sabotaging you with personnel decisions year in and year out, it is nearly impossible to give out consistent result other than consistently either mediocre or below average.
Very informative and a good read. Thanks for posting. I can feel my football IQ rising from from 10 to about 30.
very interesting read edit: am i right in thinking that the guy that wrote it is "just" an ordinary fan? That is about 100x better than anything you would ever see on espn or any "professional" site.
Wait, would this also explain why the offense looks much more fluid in the two minute drill when there are only a set of numbers of plays? I'm guessing that the two minute drill has simpler plays since they are all run out of the same type of formation and need to be called quickly. This might also explain our poor starts hopefully. Nobody was really on the same page or fully understand the gameplan going in. I do hope bringing in a "normal" offense would help, and that means we can switch players and coaches in out much more easily as the article mentions at the end.
