The GM is making the tough decisions

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  1. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    Non different than tearing down a wall that is rotted out. It's the rebuilt wall and the finish that counts not the sledgehamer taken to the rotted wall. Any dope can put a sledgehammer to an NFL roster. It's the picks and talent brought in that counts.

    Today the Jets are not a better team. Today our division rival, Miami is a marginally better team. It's what you add that counts.
     
  2. Viffer98

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    This. You can't go out and hire talent until you clear cap space. And with the amount of talent we need it's smart to wait until the big numbers guys are gone and then go after the good value guys. We don't need 1 $20 million FA; we need about 6 - 10 $1-$2 million guys.
     
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    And we haven't reached the main part where you add players yet, the draft. That's when we really see how he's going to approach this.
     
  4. xxedge72x

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    Obviously the new wall is what matters, as in your example... he hasn't had a chance to do that yet. The old rotted wall is still coming down. :)
     
  5. Biggs

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    We need to rebuild the OL, add NFL Quality starters at TE, Running Back, WR and QB. We need LB and safties. 6 to 10 1 to 2 million dollar guys will not make us a SB contender. It puts a crappy team on the field for next year.
     
  6. Viffer98

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    The difference is that Tanny would have gone out and hired an expensive painter to paint the rotted wall, and the problem would only get worse. The rot would continue and we would be in worse cap space. Idzik acknowledges the wall is rotten and is tearing it down.

    I do agree after free agency and the draft we can form a better opinion of Idzik as GM. But I totally disagree that he isn't improving the team by his actions.

    The first step to a cure is recognizing you have a problem....
     
  7. bigbucks24

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    What teams do you see as worse than the Jets going into this next season?
     
  8. Viffer98

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    We're about $15 million under the cap right now. Do you really think you are going to get NFL quality starters at TE, Running Back, WR and QB for $15 million?

    Face it, we're not going to be SB contenders next year. And we won't ever be unless we get our payroll in order and start developing some younger, less costly talent.

    You can't get the top FA each year at every position and stay under the salary cap.
     
  9. Hobbes3259

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    Buffalo has no QB.

    Miami is still Miami, and no matter who they bring in, their coaching staff sucks.

    This division, goes thru NE, via NY.
     
  10. Biggs

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    Who said anything different? It's going to take at least 3 years to rebuild this team. Tearing it down to the foundation, what Idzik is doing now, isn't a tough choice. It doesn't mean he is going to get the rebuild done.

    People talk about Tannenbaum like he was an idiot who killed this team. Tannenbaum took over a crappy team with a complete different rookie salary structure and built the Jets into solid contenders 08 through 10. Obviously the rules today are far different than the rules Tannenbaum faced when he took over in 05. The unloading of overpaid vets for cheap rookies on a team that's well passed it's competitive peak isn't exactly rocket science.

    The rocket science is the talent this guy actually adds in the next 2 to 3 years and does he actually make us a team that has a 2, 3 or 4 year window of contention?

    It's one thing to be an optimist but it's another to be a complete homer. The tough decisions will be the addition not the subtraction.
     
  11. Big Blocker

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    Defending Schotty for not being the cause of all the Jets' problems was not only CORRECT, it does not mean, and I never said, that he was a good OC.

    And to say in assessing blame for poor offensive performance that assessing the relative responsibility of the OC has nothing to do with the assessment of the Qb is nonsensical.

    Kyle Orton is a better Qb than Sanchez.

    Going through your list of made up complaints about past positions I have taken, none of which complaints by you have merit, does not excuse your laughable example of saying Revis is not important by referring to a game in which he did not play.

    But if you just want to keep digging the hole you are in deeper and deeper, go right ahead.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    I agree with this except for the time necessary to rebuild. I may agree with something like the over under on a rebuild, meaning the odds of it, is three years, but it is possible for the Jets to be a competitive team in 14 if Sanchez is replaced by a mid pack quality Qb and other good moves, reasonably possible, are made.

    But yes, I think the people going on and on claiming that Idzik has done a great job so far are just being homers.
     
  13. Biggs

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    The only reason the rebuild might be shorter is the rookie pay scale that was implimented last year is a great incentive for owners to unload solid veteran talent. In other words the league might well be a little worse.
     

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