The first quarter bomb

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Should Schotty have called playaction on the first play?

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  3. Happy Birthday MBGreen!

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  4. Go jump in a camp fire

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  1. GreyhoundJet

    GreyhoundJet Active Member

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    People need to stop obsessing over this one play. We took a shot down the field and Sanchez didn't throw a good pass. The fact that we took a shot down the field early in the game is not the reason we lost.
     
  2. The Notorious J.E.T.S

    The Notorious J.E.T.S Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez's arm was exposed on that first throw. It's just not strong enough yet for an outdoor stadium in the NorthEast ..but we were so traumatized by the Limp-Wrist Era of 2000-2007 that anything seems like an upgrade I guess.
     
  3. thejetsaddict

    thejetsaddict New Member

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    exactly, JCo had a step, it was a poorly thrown ball. Sanchez puts that on the mark and we are all celebrating Shotty....
     
  4. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Problem with the play, aside from not running a couple times first, was throwing it down the left hash, on a roll.

    Down the right side or a straight 7 step drop, he steps INTO the throw...and It's 6.
     
  5. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Exposed?

    How so? He threw it 40 yards downfield with NO AIR under the ball whatsoever.

    A little arc, (read touch), and he completes the play..The problem is his arm.He tried to throw it on a line.
     
  6. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez failed to get his feet planted in a timely fashion, meanwhile the pass rush was coming and he didn't get enough on the ball. There was nothing wrong with the call. Cotch was open.
     
  7. RobA

    RobA 2005-2007 TGG.com Most Optimistic Award Winner

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    I absolutely LOVED the playcall. Think about it, we ALWAYS come out and run the ball right at the other team on the first play. Why not try to catch them off guard and go play action then air it out to one on one coverage? If that pass isn't underthrown, it is caught in stride. Sanchez didn't execute, the playcall was fine.
     
  8. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That play is part of a trend that Schotty has of failing to establish the run before using trickery and play-action that doesn't fool anyone. And when he does decide to use the run to march down the field, that running stuff usually stops the moment the team is in the red zone. From then on it is passing plays and trickery, like reverses, double-reverses, Seminole, flea flickers, what-have-you.

    The one play just signifies what a lot of people see in Schotty's playcalling - not enough patience to succeed. He may eventually find the right combo of tricks and fundamentals to build a successful offense from, but so far it isn't looking too good right now.
     
  9. Skicats

    Skicats Well-Known Member

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    My problem is that they always run the naked bootleg to the left. Sanchez is always a little off balance when he throws going left, and has underthrown a potential open reciever several times this year. I don't recall them running that play with him rolling to the right, which might make is less likely to underthrow a receiver.
     
  10. GreyhoundJet

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    I can agree with the part about Schotty's playcalling. The reverse-pass (not sure what to call it) to Edwards yesterday was completely unnecessary and I wasn't even a big fan of the Seminole look even though that wound up working. I don't think we need his trickery to win games against teams like Jax and Buffalo. I just think having multiple threads complaining about one play in the beginning of the first quarter is overkill. But I guess I should expect that on here by now.
     
  11. rockyusmc2003

    rockyusmc2003 Well-Known Member

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    I like the "Go jump in a camp fire" :)

    Honestly though, Schotty is not an OC for a rookie QB. I realize he wanted to do something big early, especially coming off a long week. HOWEVER, he has to go with KISS (KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID).

    When the team decided to go with Sanchez, they should have then made the decision to be 100% D-heavy. Just like Rex said months ago...."Smash mouth football". I don't see that happening. A prime example would be the Bills game, the 2nd half playcalling was pure shit. Subsequently....less trickery, slow down the pace, and get this kid in POSITIVE situations. Digging a hole right off the bat isn't exactly going to do it.

    I think they shouldn't have run the play at all. Atleast at that point in the game.
     
  12. MarionBarber31

    MarionBarber31 New Member

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    I say what you said Birthday Boy!

    If Sanchez doesn't underthrow, it's a TD and brilliant call...in fact no one even mentions the call if it works, they just talk about what a great play it was.
     
  13. StreetFighterJet

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    Sanchez seems to throw bombs really high as opposed to more of a line drive type of thing... I think that's been a problem.. his hail marry attempt at the end of that other game was so high that it came down about 10 yards short.
     
  14. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    But that's the risk you take when you make a playcall like this.

    If they had given the ball to Jones instead, and he fumbled, would anyone be calling Schottenheimer out for a bad playcall there? Of course not.

    Big risk for big reward. But big risk is just that, a big risk. When it doesn't work out, you're screwed. When the lottery is up to $210M do you play a buck on the off-chance you might hit, or do you walk into a bodega with your entire paycheck and quick pick it all in the hope that one hits?

    This play deserves a lot of criticism by its very design. Had it worked, Schotty would have been a genius. It didn't.

    You just don't put your rookie QB in a position to fail like this.
     
  15. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    What I don't understand is why didn't they design the play for Braylon to run that streak? Worst case he's double covered deep but you should have somebody WIDE OPEN underneath as a result.
     
  16. Br4d

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    Edwards would have had had a safety and a corner on him if he had gone deep. Cotchery had single coverage. Edwards was no doubt running a pattern elsewhere designed to pull the safety over to his side or at least take along look over there.

    Cotchery, BTW, is the Jets best receiver and it's not close. It's like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne all over again - Edwards is the flashy player who can break one deep now and then if he holds onto the ball but Cotchery is the meat and potatoes who gives his QB a solid target most of the time when he needs one.
     
  17. Andy_M

    Andy_M Well-Known Member

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    +1 ......Could have just as easily gone the other way and went for 6.
     

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