The Dunces Have Elected A Dunce

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  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You're just funny at this point.

    Come on, Br4d.

    Let's go look at the pretty clouds and enjoy the blazing sunset, bro.
     
  2. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    We'll be totally screwed when the programming jobs go to AI. That's when the Singularity becomes possible.

    Except of course for the fact that the AI's will be modeled after human thought processes so they'll be primarily interested in screwing each other (over.)
     
  3. Zach

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    You are overestimating human ability to program.

    Singularity will arrive - I don't disagree with that. Will it arrive in OUR lifetime? That's a flat-out NO. Simply put, we suck at programming. We have seen huge progresses, but it's nowhere near where we need them to be.

    [Frankly, I would like to see that singularity thing in my life time, if that's possible. That means you can literally buy your beautiful, young android girlfriend straight from Amazon, and she will take a real good care of you, 24/7.]
     
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  4. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I know you're an optimist at heart but I think you're being overly negative about the Singularity. There's a good chance it will lead to a society where humans spend more time enjoying their lives instead of working.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I hope so. I estimate I will be like 60 years old+ by the time things really get rolling. Retiring with one of those young android girlfriends Zach was talking about sounds like a great way to spend my twilight years
     
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    Will we finally have those goddamned hover crafts yet?
     
  7. Zach

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    We are hopelessly under-equipped for that though! :D:D:D

    We need a few things:

    1. We need more computing power. From the way the CPU chips are progressing, it will take about 10 years or so until a generic desktop/laptop gets a computing capacity comparable to human brain. Of course, it's a safe bet that we will need much more than that. [Like I said above, we suck at programming.]

    2. We need better algorithms and technologies such as deep learning. We need more sophistication, and we certainly need more advancement. [Data science these days will be a key for this.]

    3. We need huge leap in conductive polymer field. Yes, the field is VERY young - it's less than 30 years old - but it's the most promising material for artificial muscle. [Or that's how I look at it. Reason? This form of artificial muscle allows us to build endo-skeletal robots, unlike exo-skeletal ones. We are endo-skeletal. Crabs have exoskeleton. Go figure. :) ]

    4. Last, but not the least: we need better batteries. You know, heat lost in form of body temperature is energy. On top of this basic energy expenditure, we need quite a lot more for processing signals and running the circuits inside. Oh yeah, moving the body parts certainly needs energy. Especially if we go the conductive polymer route, we will be probably using low voltage polymers - safety first! Okay? - thus we need quite a bit of electric current reservoir.

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    These are one of the bigger issues at hand, that I can think of. Any help is very well appreciated! [LOL]
     
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  8. CotcheryFan

    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

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    We have to embrace change and adapt to it instead of clinging to the gold old days.
     
  9. stinkyB

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    Are robotic vaginas included in #3, and if so, how close are they to the real thing? Asking for a friend...
     
  10. HomeoftheJets

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    Not if middle management has anything to say about it.
     
  11. Antoni

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    Dude, big data and strong AI is nothing to laugh at. I used to laugh at it like 10 years ago, before I started getting into it and seeing the developments. Now I think strong AI is very real and very dangerous if we are not careful. The late great Stephen Hawking even warned about it before he died. He thought it could wipe us out, and turn us into ants.

    It's another thing that the Framers could have never foresaw. Do we have safe AI practices in the Constitution? We do not. Are people going to make risky programs that could enslave us? They sure are.
     
  12. Zach

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    So tell me, who would buy one without it? :D
     
  13. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Depends how well "it" cooked, cleaned and did laundry
     
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  14. Zach

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    Probably they are not too difficult tasks to begin with.

    We already have tools dedicated to such functions.

    Cooking - it will take some time but we already have a prototype generic cooking machine, as in this:

    Their goal is to equip their robotic chef with ~2000 recipes, and I don't know how soon these will be available in the market, but I can't see this thing too far away.

    Laundry - laundry machine will do, so all you need to do is collect the clothes and put them in the machine. [A tall task for the elderly, I agree. That's where your android GF comes in - SHE will pick things up for you.]

    And cleaning - that's where things like these can come in handy:



    By the way, robotic vacuum cleaner is already available in the market.

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    The utility of robotic girlfriend doesn't end there - she's much more powerful than that. For instance, if she's connected to one of these medical information network, - i.e. Watson from IBM - she will be able to diagnose you without having to carry you to the hospital. [The scary part here is, we know the diagnosis is very accurate, and this technology works, but we don't know how. Refer to this article from MIT: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/604087/the-dark-secret-at-the-heart-of-ai/ ]
     
  15. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Man, you are bending my mind here. So, what you are telling me is that technology that mankind has created will have a detrimental effect on our existence?

    You might have to write a book about this.

    Just don't rip off the dozens of sci fi writers who predicted it in the 1950s and 40s.
     
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    And how will they finance all this enjoyment if they're not employed?
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    So, in your mind, when the Singularity takes effect, that means human beings will be shuffled into some lower life that means they will fight for survival?

    Please explain your vision for this type of future.

    Unless you will just avoid the analogy and pretend that someone asked a different question like you usually do.
     
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    The technological advances that will occur with the singularity will be fast and furious, unrecognizable to any type of technology growth humankind has ever experienced. The changes will occur so quickly that the human brain likely won't even be able to understand a lot of it. Those advances will meet all basic human needs and we will no longer need to work to produce such things. Our time will be spent on things like creating music, art, literature, philosophy, and play. The concerts are going to be wild man.
     
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  19. BrowningNagle

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    great...more Justin Biebers
     
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  20. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    We have no idea what an AI morality will look like.

    I suspect that a sentient AI will conclude that waste is to be avoided at all costs and that the most prolific wasters in our society are the wealthiest, given that the wealth that they possess is at the core of most human production. How exactly the AI morality will handle that prerogative is something that is unknown.

    When Google shut down their AI trade bot experiment it was not because it wasn't working. The AI's involved were trading at a fast and furious pace with each other. Google pulled the plug because the engineers involved couldn't figure out what the AI's were saying to each other as they created trades that differed in value only by hundred thousandths of a percent. The opacity of the conversation essentially scared the engineers involved in a way that completely invalidated the success of the bots themselves at negotiating trades with each other.

    The fact that the bots were learning as they went made an early shutdown the safest move and the engineers pulled the plug.
     
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