You didnt look closely at the replay last night. The design of the play takes the defenders to the back of end zone, which is almost 10 yards from the goal line. the safety bit on run, the only guy between pennington and 6, was the DL that Moore had but couldnt hold. Bill Parcells could have tucked it from where pennington had the ball. AAMOF, from that camera angle you dont even see another Colt (3 back of the EZ, with Dearth, DL on Moore, until the safety sprints in, after Pennington stops to throw.
i watched it over and over and Chad had about 7-8 yards to run(counting the yards to get over to the right side and get in) and he's nto fast enough to beat their DBs to the GL. I believe he easily would have been run down.
He definitely would have had more room but i don't think he would have made it. I guess we'll never know, the stupid play shouldn't have been called anyway.
edit- Original comment too rough. I have the rulebook, I saw the play 10 times now, and I have the refs on my side. Please take off the Jets goggles. I did. Look, I wish it was offensive pass interference so I could join in on the bitch session.
Sorry, that's not me. If there's one thing it's that I call em how I see em. I am a realist. Not one of the fandoms who say shit because a guy has a Jersey on. I have the game here in HD and have rewatched it a few times and come to the same conclusion. Contact by reaching out to feel the Receiver is NOT an arm bar and that's exactly what he did. -He didn't Impede progress -He didn't Grab him -He didn't push him We'll probably never agree so i'll just leave it alone.
Well, I'm going to watch it again. I don't believe I wrote either player did any grabbing. I believe Miller impeded Wayne's progress. I would drop this right now if none of us had video. Unfortunately, we do. Plus I have the rulebook. So I'm willing to continue.
That is yours right? That definition lends itself to the "Armbar" which is what we are saying he didn't do. His arm was out, he did was reach out, yes he made contact but he didn't impede or "Restrict his ability to catch a pass". I guess here we are in dispute on whether or not his arm that reached out was actually PI. I don't think it was because I believe he was "Feeling" not Holding him back...
Re: "That is yours right?" That is exactly how the rule is written in the rulebook. Wayne was running at top speed. Picture yourself doing the same thing and having someone else put his arm across your body. It will slow you down. That's why that rule is in the book. There is not supposed to be contact beyond five yards.
See now that, I can agree with. But at the same time, receiver is not allowed to "Push Off" The funny thing is that Coles was mauled on a few plays, one next to the Goal line (Right Side) where the DB Chopped him down before the ball was there. No Call. I'm more pissed about the lack of Holding calls their O-line gets. When you rewatch the game, it's alarming. RE: Rule. I knew it was from the book cause of your previous post.
You are helping me with this comment. Miller is not allowed to "feel" after the five-yard zone. The only question would be if it was incidental contact on the part of Miller. I certainly don't think it was and the refs didn't see it that way, either.
Miller can do ANYTHING he wants, as long as he is not initiating contact. The Armbar rule has to do with initiating contact by slowing down, and IMPEDING the receiver. You need to use a little more exactitude in your language. A defender cannot initiate contact downfield.
Dude. Plain and simple. That was a horrible call. Miller played that thing perfectly. Once the defender turns their head to make a play on the ball, they are allowed to put their arm out. In this case Wayne ran into that arm, and further went on to impede Miller's chances of catching the ball by grabbing and pushing him. Offensive pass interference. Period.
I suppose this is a lost cause being a Jets site and all. You guys just can't seem to take off the Jets goggles.
No Jets goggles involved. In fact, the other guys that agree with me are some of the most realistic posters on this board. Maybe YOU need to go back and look at the play again to see where we are coming from.
Yeah. I only wrote I watched the played a dozen times already. What more do you want? Well, before I signed on and read the latest comment quoted right here in this post, I watched the play 6 more times. Pass was certainly catchable. Wayne only missed it by a few inches. As I wrote here before: Miller extended his arm across Wayne's body. That was the FIRST CONTACT made by either player. Wayne then touched Miller's shoulder. Well, at least AlioTheFool agrees with me. Well, along with the NFL, the refs, and the rulebook. But maybe all that means jack shit.
