Talk Me Down

The Olds JETS:
Beat the Saints, DolphinsX2 then lose to Bills and Oakland

New JETS:
Beat the Saints, DolphinsX2 then Lose to Oakland...

See the difference?

 

Looks like we're ahead of schedule.

 

This is Rex's team...Not same old jets. I believe him

 

We can crash some other year...I want my Super Bowl win this year really badly

*crosses fingers*

 

This mentality is nearly gone. Nearly.


I still have work to do on the older ones. Rex and Sanchez are pretty good helpers, the defense too. Hard Knocks may have been another leg to stand on.

Still need everyone collectively ready to put an entire foot in the ass of any opponent, and welcome success and badassery into their minds every day the wake up.

I'm the cancer that kills SOJF. I'll find you...

 

The connection between the HC and SOJF has always been significant. Some here have talked about Mangini and before him Parcells, but there's a long history.

I remember hating Joe Walton with a passion. I remember the Eagles game, last home game of the 87 season, when it was so f'ing cold there must have been just over 20,000 fans, but we were all screaming Joe must go, and despite that and the good reasons for it, Hess brought him back another two seasons. Pure misery. Yet we were all psyched when Bruce Coslet came. What did Bruce do? He improved the record from 4-12 to 6-10. Heh. That was SOJ.

SOJ wasn't really challenged thereafter until Parcells came. There was much talk then that SOJ was dead. It was merely comatose, though, and BP moving upstairs and trying to make Belichik the HC was pure SOJ. Al Groh was also SOJ. Herm Edwards was SOJ.

When Edwards left, it was not quite as great as when Walton and Kotite were fired, but close. People had a lot of hope for Mangini, but as happy as I was that Hermtite left, I wasn't sure Mangini was anything more than Belichik's gofer coffee boy. I didn't drink that KoolAide. Turns out Mangini was SOJ, too.

Ryan is not SOJ. I think we can all agree on that.

 

I wasn't a rabid fan back in the Walton days but I have read enough stories to know he had to go.

I was probably a little higher on Herm than most people are here. I really can't complain too much. Some of the typical play calling like the typical 3rd and 2 draw plays and obviously we all remember the piss poor clock management - that is all SOJ. Herm basically killing Martin's career was also a disappointment. However, we did go to the playoff more times than not with Herm. That is not SOJ.

Mangini was a good pickup. He wasn't the type of coach i was hoping for this team, but i thought injecting any "Patriotesque" philosophy into this team should make it better.

I am happy with Rex. He should be the Jet's Joe Paterno.

 

Herm is SOJ because he never played with a pair of balls.


Conservative gets you a loss.

Like Mike Lombardi wanting the Jets to run clock and kick a fucking FG against the Fins. That's pussy football.

 

This is the Jets, unless we win the Super Bowl this year we're going to be so deep in the funk by this time next year that it'll make 2005 and 2007 look like a pic-a-nic basket full of fried chicken and potato salad.

 

Not sure.

Give me a division win and if a team beat us by totally out playing the Jets in January then they deserve it.

Unless Rex Ryan figures out Peyton Manning, he will become the most hated QB by this franchise, right up there with Marino and Brady.

 

I think we may win a Super Bowl this year.

That said, all of the following things are true at the moment:

1. The left side of our offensive line's motto could best be summarized as "holding penalty, false start and oop's, sorry about that Mark."

2. Our main running back is 31 years old and the other guy is either fumbling or limping at least once a game. The other young guy tosses his cookies just looking at a football field.

3. Our main claim to fame on defense is a great defensive backfield. One of whom is a free agent at the end of the season and another believes he is a free agent every season even when he's signed.

4. Our starting defensive front 7 has 2 guys in it under 30. One of them is a unrestricted free agent next season. The young guy we're guaranteed to have around for awhile if we want him? Vernon Gholston.

5. If the Jets don't win the Super Bowl this season or get really close to it what is Rex Ryan going to say next year? Will anybody, including the players, be buying?

God I hope we win the Super Bowl this year because I have been through too many crash and burns at this point to go through another one.

 

If you are saying, which I think you are from your later listing of issues with the team and what will likely be roster issues, issues that I think will not all be let go adversely to the team, as you seem to imply, that the team will come close next year to having as bad a year as 05 and 07, that I do not agree with, unless Sanchez craps the bed or Ryan retires.

As for how next year will feel if the Jets don't win the SB, it depends I think on how that might go. But that is too much a theoretical analysis at this point, imo. I merely point out that much depends on what happens between now and then.

I remain somewhat optimistic about the team's chances this year, but we can talk about two things that appear to be the case right now:

1. Level of Competition. This is not 99, when Elway retired and the defending Champ was defanged, with no other AFC teams out there that looked like huge obstacles. Manning is still not only playing but is at the top of his career. I don't need to go down the whole list of AFC rivals to merely note instead that one would have to be a homer to think the Jets right now stand head and shoulders over all of them. Too much football to be played to make that determination. In the NFC whether the Saints repeat or not there are some teams that look good, too. This is not 99. There is plenty of competition both in the conference and in the NFC.

2. Issues with the team. Sanchez has to keep up what he's been doing the last two games and not regress. Greene needs to step up - relying on LT, as great as he has been, is definitely risky. The OL has not been playing like a top tier line. The DL has little depth, although Ellis continues his solid play this year. I like the linebackers, but until Pace comes back and we see an improvement, the pass rush is mediocre. We all know the issues with the secondary.

 

I do agree that the team has a great shot, and in August you couldn't tell me different. I was convinced. I still believe it, but during the summer I was feeling as if the SB was in 2 weeks. Let's hope it was some sort of month long premonition.

Slauson is going to have growing pains. LT is here on a 2 year deal for a reason, and we have seen what Greene can do when healthy and the ball is secure. I'd like to see it again.

The DBs are an oddity. I'll chalk it up to 3/4 guys are in their 1st year and the communication breakdowns are killing them. Not being on the same page will do that to you. When they were communicating, they embarrassed Tom Brady.

I share your concern about the front 7. I had a tirade where I wrote about LBs are about to become an ancient group of players. Their best OLB can't play a full season for them. Luckily, the team does well in Pace's absence.

I think the way Rex is will be fine. As tough as it is to win one, they'll never waiver and they'll always believe this is their year. The one thing the media doesn't like to do is report things verbatim. Rex always says "I think we can go win a Super Bowl" not "We are going to win the Super Bowl every year, count on it." He never guarantees the SB, he just believes in the team enough to think its their year every year. That fine line will always have players buying in. A coach who pulls a total Namath every June isn't going to be taken seriously after 2 years. Rex will always have players wanting to play for him. Its going to be real important in FA - the one place the Jets like to shop.

I've said time and time again this team needs another 10 player draft and it needs to be as good or better than 06. They need another solid foundation of youth, this time on the defensive side of the ball. 06 was more offensive.

The one constant is Sanchez and Rex. If they play/coach to their ability, then the team will always be in contention. But its the team loaded with talent like this one, and the ability to always have breaks go your way, and the ability to play at your best every week that differentiates the SB teams from the just 'good' teams in the league.

 

Nice post. Greene concerns me, though. He fumbled too much at first last year, then he didn't (although I think he did put the ball on the ground on a play that didn't make it into the records because of a penalty), fumbled again, twice, in the Ravens game. He hasn't fumbled since. Heh. Lucky for him. But the other thing is he's only getting 3.5 a carry when he got 5 a carry average last year. That's not good. Behind the same line that LT is lighting it up for.

Well, I don't know about fans of other teams, but being a Jet fan, having concerns sure goes with the territory.

 

To the OP: did I help talk you down?

 

That's all I was going to say.