Subject: The Good, the Bad....the Ugly. What are your thoughts

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by LAJet, Aug 27, 2012.

  1. Barcs

    Barcs Banned

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    Good: Our D looks good enough to carry the team if need be, Sanchez looks good when he has time in the pocket.

    Bad: Running game didn't do too much, Kyle Wilson wasn't so hot

    Ugly: Unjustified Tebow chants, terrible fan base :)
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Bad - Kyle Wilson?

    You know, i think so. I've been dumping on him for the most part while hoping and hoping he improves. He looked bad, just plain bad, last night. It's hard to keep expecting him to get much better. I just don't think he really gets what it is he is supposed to be doing out there. Maybe he's not that bright?
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Kyle Wilson did look bad, almost ugly last night. He was one of the few low points for the defense. He and Josh Bush haad targets on their backs.
     
  4. KWJetsFan

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    Anyone notice our fans keep saying our O doesn't count in the preseason because, you know, it's preseason, but the D will be world class based on their performance so far in the preseason.
     
  5. Br4d

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    Wilson seems to have the most trouble when he is covering crossing routes in front of him. He's late to his man fairly often which leads to a lot of crossing patterns getting completed in the 7 to 10 yard range.

    I have no idea if this is happening in zone coverage or when he is actually lined up on the slot guy but it happens enough that I recognize it when I see it.
     
  6. BookEndTackles 72&79

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    I think it's clear by now that Wilson is miscast in his role as the slot guy. He needs the sideline to use as a guide in coverage. I don't think the Jets will ever get the best this guy has in his current role. If he is moved to the outside then I think he will resurrect his career.
     
  7. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    I agree. The slot CB is quite possibly the hardest position on the defense, especially with the amount of man-to-man defense the Jets play.

    On the outside, the CB can play inside the receiver knowing he has the sideline for help.

    The slot CB has to play straight up - or outside his receiver if he has safety help - thus giving the slot WR the advantage.
     
  8. joe

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    Good: Defense

    Bad: 3rd & short running plays getting stuffed

    Ugly: Tossup. Tebow throwing a football; Flight Crew
     
  9. Br4d

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    So here's an interesting idea. The current rage is hybrid defenders designed to blow the play up wherever they see it. The guys being used in this way in college at the moment tend to be CB-sized but to play more where an ILB would line up.

    They do a lot of different things, from covering the slot guy to covering the TE to covering whoever goes across the middle. They blitz a fair amount, both pass and run blitzes.

    They can be a 5th defensive back effectively, playing in tight or a 3rd or 4th linebacker playing just a bit loose. They've been pretty effective as a wildcard in blowing up the various option offenses and used also against the spread.

    So what if the Jets give Revis this job? His job is to cover the slot guy or TE or blitz or handle the middle of the field in front of the safeties. He's effectively replacing Bart Scott in the standard set and giving the Jets a 4-2-5 look with the nickel backer right over one of the interior receivers.
     
  10. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    are you seriously suggesting that the Jets remove Revis from his role? He's the best CB in the game, completely shutting out the other teams #1 receiver, no matter where he lines up (like when he follows Welker into the slot).

    And you want to move him to a hybrid LB/S/CB role where he would only cover a WR/TE some of the time...?

    It would make infinitely more sense to put someone like Antonio Allen (basically the position he played in college, a "spur" safety) in that position than the best CB in hte game. Kind of similar to the role 'Digs played a couple years ago actually
     
  11. BillyGreen

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    Sign Plaxico, sign McKenzie or Pashos as backup RT. Those two things should give us the veteran presence we need at both positions and allow our young starters to get their sea legs under them at the same time.
     
  12. Section 227. Row 5

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    Revis is certainly capable and did a great job against Wes Welker in the slot, for example. But Revis' best role is in what he's doing. I think to mes with what he's most comfortable with and doing what he's best at right now would be a mistake.

    I wouldn't fuck with Defensive postions right now at all. I have no complaints about how our DEF is playing and I don't see it getting any better than it is by moving things around. Sanchez and the Offense, well... that's another story.
     
  13. Section 227. Row 5

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    Sanchez seems to miss Plax in the EZ this year. He's sailing balls way too high to be caught by the anyone not named Plaxico Burress.
     
  14. al_toon_88

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    The first 2 offensive plays were pretty good.
     
  15. BillyGreen

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    I seriously do not know what the Jets are waiting for with Plaxico. It's not like he's going to cost them an arm and a leg and signing him will definitely result in increased TD production. I'm pretty much scratching my head on this one.
     
  16. dwalsh

    dwalsh 2006 TGG.com Rookie of the Year Award Winner

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    maybe the Jets know exactly what Plaxico brings, both in terms of on-the-field production and his attitude in the clubhouse.

    After the fiasco that happened with the offense last year (mostly between the WRs and QB according to reports), you would think that the Jets know what role (if any) Plaxico played in all of that?

    Just a crazy thought on my end...

    I swear, I've posted more today than I have in a long time, but so many people are here seem to just not get it.
     
  17. BillyGreen

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    I don't think that's it at all. Plaxico was pretty quiet last year. I don't recall him calling Sanchez or anyone else out for anything. He basically did his job and did what was asked of him. Was he frustrated with Schottenheimer? Yeah I think everyone on the team was, but he never actually said anything about him that I can remember. All in all I think Plax kept his head down and did his job last season. I would think if the Jets re-hired him he would do the same thing.
     
  18. BillyGreen

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    All I know is, if you get 6 to 8 TD's out of Plax this year that could make the difference in 3 to 4 games... And you can have a player that can make the difference in 3 to 4 games for a relatively affordable price so why wouldn't you do it?
     
  19. Br4d

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    I'm suggesting the Jets give Revis a role where he really effects every play in a dramatic way and might justify the kind of cap hit he's going to want moving forward.

    Look at it this way: the Jets play a small handful of games every year where they actually face a WR where they benefit from the difference between a Darrelle Revis and a Kyle Wilson.

    Last year the Jets faced no top 5 wideouts at all. They faced Welker and Gronkowski twice but effectively Revis value on the season was diminished by the fact that they didn't see Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, Roddy White, etc.

    Most games Revis was out on the edge against somebody that a good but not great CB could shut down without a lot of trouble. The Jets did move him into the slot against Welker because there was just no question that Welker was more dangerous than any of the outside receivers.

    Why not take Revis superior athleticism and knowledge of the game and put him in a position to be on the offense's key threat every game? Why not give him the ability ro use his superior vision of the game and reflexes to make an impact even when there is nobody outside that warrants his individual attention?

    There were some games last year, like the Jacksonville, Oakland, Denver and Philadelphia games, where the biggest threat to the Jets clearly was not a wide receiver and where the Jets were not going to win or lose the game on the edge of the field.

    Wouldn't the Jets have been better against all those teams if Revis had his eyes on the most dangerous player on the field for most of the game? MJD, Darren McFadden, Tim Tebow and Michael Vick were for various reasons the most important people to just flat out nullify in those games. MJD and McFadden because they were capable of running all over the Jets, Tebow because he can't pass well enough to present a consistent threat on the edge but he sure can run you over, and Vick because his superior mobility breaks down defenses when he is not pressured.
     
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    Inserting Revis to watch over Tebow and Vick is insanity and you know it. That's what you have LBs for.

    And our total DEF this year, especially LBs and Safeties, are a very good combination who have seemed to gell with Revis at corner. So no, I do not think putting Revis in to cover a Tebow or a Vick is a very good idea at all. Let the entire DEF do it's job and that includes Revis at corner.
     

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