Lacy is a fat piece of shit---and I'd still take him over Geno any day of the week, without question. That's why he is on this list.
We haven't taken an offensive player let alone a QB in the 1st for the past 8 years. Deshaun Watson was rated as a first round QB.
Let me just clarify some things as I keep seeing similar types of responses: I am in no way saying Adams is bad or won't be a better pick than Deshaun Watson as its still too early. I am questioning the decision making of our front office AT THE TIME of the draft because that is the only fair thing to judge. Certainly, Mac and Bowles knew how slowly Petty and Hack have been coming along, but decided to draft a safety despite having no future talent on offense.
That the Jets hadn't taken an offensive player or QB in round 1 had nothing to do with what I posted, I'm all for getting a QB, just didn't think any in the draft were worth the #6 pick. And there's a difference between a QB picked in the 1st round and a 1st round QB. That's why you have Tim Tebows going in the 1st round. It remains to be seen if Watson will be the next RG III or the next Luck. My money is on a middling at best career.
That's the thing I keep coming back to: If they didn't think Petty or Hack were any good, why didn't they draft a QB? Did they really think that there was no one available who was better? Or did they think that Petty and Hack were okay? In either case it shows a real lack of ability in assessing QBs. I mean they're now sitting with a 38 year old journeyman, and two guys they apparently don't trust as their QBs - how did it get to this point?
If you look at the draft grades over the past two years Watson was not the same kind of QB prospect that Goff, Wentz, and Trubisky were. Comparing him further over years he just wasn't as highly graded a QB prospect compared to some of the top guys. Paxton Lynch was even rated higher. Just because Houston reached for him(maybe they thought they were in a good position to take a risk there) and he's had some initial success doesn't change that, or does it mean Mac fucked up. There were 10 other teams that you'll have to question also. Just because we need a QB, and some fans want to jump to the conclusion Jackson's a FQB, doesn't mean you react to first QB you see like some blind fan would have you do. Of course hindsight being shortsighted under the circumstances, let's read into it that Mac doesn't understand the draft or QB play, or whatever....
It doesn't necessarily mean anything of the kind. Bowles is coaching for his career. Morton is trying to establish himself as an OC and eventually as a HC candidate. They aren't interested in developing a young QB even giving one a chance. They are going with a competent veteran who has experience in the WCO offense. They were winning with Morton. They're certainly not going to bench him then to give Petty or Hack a chance.
The thought was that Mac was looking to tank this season and get his QB in next year's class. Obviously he wasn't looking to tank his way to a #1 pick. But getting a QB this draft is still an option. Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
I agree with your post, but do you mean Watson? Or are you talking about Jackson possibly coming out this year?
No one can predict how a player will perform in any given set of circumstances. The best we can do is assess what he did in the previous level and hope he can perform as well in the next. You don't reject an outstanding player because of perceived deficiencies in your own organization. You take the player and then address those deficiencies to give the player and team the best chance to succeed. The Jets, in taking Adams over Watson, took the safe route and that is the real point of this discussion. Why didn't the Jets take a chance on a player who had the potential to transform this team? No one can argue that a highly ranked safety has a better chance of success than a QB no matter how high he's ranked. Nevertheless, if the Jets continue to draft that way, the chances of this team ever getting to a SB are remote.
really? he's just as useless avergaing 3 yards a carry and 108 yards on the season. I wouldn't want lacy on the team at all
I don't think the guy really wants Lacy on the team, just a means to show how much he hated the Geno pick
all teams make bad picks. life goes on. yes geno was a bad pick. it happens. the browns passed on watson and took kizer. i'm sure that is stinging right now
Reasonable point. It's easy for me to look back and say we should have picked Le'Veon Bell instead of Geno with that pick. Then maybe Rex doesn't play Sanchez with the 5th-stringers in the Snoopy Bowl and get him hurt. Of course, Sanchez was almost as bad, so maybe the Jets pick Bridgewater or Carr instead of Pryor in the 2014 draft? Still, it's the Jets, so they probably pick Manziel with that pick. If Geno saved us from Manziel, he wasn't so bad a pick, after all.....
Good post. I agree in priniciple that risks have to be taken in order to achieve greatness, and that one cannot always take the safe route. There are times to take gambles, however, and there are times not to. First, look at the Jets' situation. The team needed to shed a bunch of older, overpriced veterans. They still had a bunch of holes. Mac had been criticized for his first two drafts, and the two QBs he had drafted hadn't shown much. His job could have been on shaky ground. His predecessor had just been fired after two years. He was entering year three, and may not get a fourth year, if he didn't have a solid, productive draft. Bowles was coaching to keep his job. He had issues that he needed to focus on if he was to keep his job or get a shot at another HC job. He had no experience developing a young QB. They had a first-time OC in Morton who was trying to establish himself not only as a quality OC, but perhaps as a potential HC. Therefore, imo probably none of the three had any interest in starting a rookie QB, nor could they see trying to develop 3 of them and not having a veteran QB. They knew that a lot of picks had been used on the D, but it was closer to being where they wanted it to be, and I'm sure that the hope was that the D would help carry the team until Petty or Hack could develop or the Jets could add a QB via the draft. They had signed Claiborne. They had a several young CBs they liked. By adding two safeties who were versatile, they could mix up and disguise coverages, and stop the bleeding of getting beat with deep passes. They had been good in stopping the run. The only other thing they really needed was to add a legit pass rusher. The offense OTOH, had some good young WRs, a young TE (ASJ) they thought had a lot of potential, had some young OL they liked, and a couple of veteran RBs that were versatile. IMO in situations like that, swinging for the fences on a QB would have been career suicide. Even if the QB they picked eventually developed, unless he could start immediately and play at a very high level, it probably wouldn't help keep any of their jobs, except maybe Mac's. It really wasn't the right time to take a calculated risk. I'm sure the above influenced the Jets in some form or fashion. In the specific case of Watson and Adams, I see a few possible scenarios. One, the Jets didn't think Watson was that good a prospect. They thought that he would be a like a lot of collegiate QBs who won championships or the Heisman Trophy in college, but their skill sets didn't translate that well to the NFL. It's also quite possible that they didn't think that he had sufficient arm strength to succeed playing outside in the NE in the winter. Two, the Jets liked Watson, but thought he would be just an average NFL QB, and thought that Adams was a generational talent and possible future HOFer. Three, the Jets liked Watson, but liked Petty and Hack better, and weren't about to roll with 4 QBs again or 3 inexperienced QBs, so they decided to give Petty and Hack more time to develop and ride McCown as far as they could this season, and then hope that either Petty or Hack could take over in 2018 or they would draft a QB. Four, they liked Watson, but thought it too soon to give up on Petty and/or Hack, and liked the QBs in the 2018 draft better, so decided to strengthen the team, give Petty and Hack some more time to see if they could develop, and if not, then take a QB in the 2018 draft. Five, Mac had received a lot of criticism for his first two drafts, especially for the Hack and Lee picks. Perhaps he thought that he needed to go the safe route and secure some solid talent who could help the team immediately and safeguard his job, so he went with Adams, who they saw as one of, if not THE best/safest prospect in the draft. He could then roll the dice on a FQB in a future draft. With the criticism Mac has already received for his first two drafts, can you imagine if he rolled the dice on a QB who proved to be a bust while passing up on a generational safety and possible future HOFer? He would never live that down. Six, Mac just isn't a good judge of QBs. He wouldn't be the first GM to have that flaw. As good as Ozzie Newsome is, he's never drafted a real standout FQB (Then again, take a look at all the QBs who have been drafted since 2003. It's an abysmal list of no-talent hacks.). Flacco is the closest, but he really isn't that good. Newsome was named GM on Nov. 22, 2002 in his drafts from 2003 - 2017, he has drafted the following QBs: Kyle Boller (1st round 2003), Josh Harris (6th round 2004), Derek Anderson (6th round 2005), Troy Smith (5th round 2007), Joe Flacco (1st round 2008), Tyrod Taylor (6th round 2011), and Keith Wenning (6th round 2014). QBs he passed up on were: Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton and Dan Orlovsk (2005); Matt Ryan (2008 - could have possibly traded up for Ryan, instead took Flacco); Andy Dalton & Colin Kaepernick (2011); Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, & Kirk Cousins (2012); Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garappolo (2014); Jacoby Brissett, Connor Cook, & Dak Prescott (2016); De Shone Kizer, Davis Webb, Nathan Peterman & possibly could have traded up for either Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson (2017).
And I agree with you in principle too. However, all the criticisms of Watson are opinion based which is fine because that's what these guys get paid for. However, in Watson's case there was a very impressive resume behind his ranking and that's not opinion, those were facts. The bottom line is that if you pass on player with Watson's credentials and he turns out to be good, then the second guessers have a legitimate gripe.
you can't name any team that hans't shit the bed on their 1st or 2nd round pick in the past 5 years. hell just looking at the 2014 draft (cause 3 years) clowney - meh not 1st overall worthy. 13.5 career sacks in 31 games. never had more then 6 in a seaosn. gets injured quite a bit too greg robinson - meh tackle bortles - could be getting benched or released after this season watkins - oft injured. not with the bills they cut him. hasn't done shit this year khalil mack - beast matthews - solid tackle good pick mike evans - beast justin gilbert - barely starter material on most teams if that anthony barr - meh eric ebron - meh lewan - meh OBJ - beast donald - beast fuller - meh shazier - decent martin - decent mosley - meh pryor - lol james - meh cooks - solid WR clinton dix - beast manziel - lol ford - solid player dennard - meh verrett - meh smith - meh bucannon - meh benjamin -meh easly - meh ward - meh roby - solid CB for this late bridgewater - was looking good till he blew out his knee So i mean who many teams really hit well. that list is pathetic TBH and that's how most drafts go yup very true. but plenty of people have a resume and fail as well
The Jets have always decided to draft quarterbacks in the wrong drafts. And, when they definitely DID pick the right draft, they passed on Marino because he liked the snow.
