Steven A Has A Point

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  1. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Is Steven A Smith still talking?
     
  2. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Does he ever stop?
     
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  3. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    Picking a QB with your 1st round pick every year when there is no QB worth a 1st round pick available when you pick is a sure fire way to never get better. Some of the same posters who are talking about how the Jets should have taken Watson, I'm sure were whining that the Jets should have traded up for RG III when he was drafted and had a breakout rookie season, where is he now?

    By your reasoning there should have been at least 8-10 QBs taken in the 1st round of last years draft. I mean there were at least 8 teams that needed a QB so they should have all taken one in the 1st round, right?

    Might want to see what Watson does against more teams with good pass D before making that HOF bust.
     
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  4. The Waterboy

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    Is RG III a franchise QB? He had 65.5% passing with 20 TDs and 5 INTs his 1st season, what's he doing now?
     
  5. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Such a risk drafting anybody but I bet they thought they had struck gold after one season :D
     
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  6. grkmanga31

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    Deshaun has played a few games in the NFL and he's already being hailed as a FQB. The signs are promising don't get me wrong, but Adams at 6 was a no brainer. Furthermore, it would have looked really really bad on Macc's part had he selected a QB a year after he went after hack with a second round pick.

    Also, you have to consider the infrastructure these college QB's are being thrust into. For example, Bill O'Brien is known by many as being a QB developer. Right now, Deshaun is in good hands with O'Brien and is being put in a position to succeed. Same could be said about Dak in Dallas and Wentz with Pederson.
    The Jets do not have some sort of QB guru, nor the offensive minded prowess required to put a QB in a situation to succeed and also surround that QB in a friendly system with plenty of weapons.
     
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  7. NCJetsfan

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    You know, everyone talks about Bowles predilection to playing vets over young players, and coaching for his career, but what about Morton? This is his first season as an OC? Don't you think he wants to continue being employed as an OC, and even have a shot at becoming a HC? Why would he want to start a rookie like Watson (if he were here) or a young QB like Petty when there is a competent vet who has played in his WCO system before? Who do you think Morton is going to think is going to make him look better his first year on the job, a veteran or a young, unproven player? I think there's a very good chance that Morton sees things the same as Bowles. They aren't willing to put their careers on the line with a young unproven QB, no matter how much potential he may have to be better than that veteran. They are going to try to get as proven and competent a level of play from the offense as they can. Once Morton is established as a good OC, he can worry about proving that he can develop a young QB.

    The problem with Bowles' perspective is that his D is failing more often than not, and he has proven flaws that he isn't correcting. If he doesn't take care of those, he isn't going to have the job security to try to prove that he can develop a young QB.
     
  8. westiedog1

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    There's nothing wrong with having a mobile QB who has the ability to extend plays. If he was my QB that is what I would want him to do and probably the main reason O'Brien switched from Savage to him. Yes, he'll get sacked from time to time, all QB's do, but I'd rather have a QB who can make a play rather than throw the ball out of bounds. For the record, Watson has been sacked 14 times so far, McCown -22, Brady-18. Rodgers, Stafford, and Newton are other QB's that have been sacked more times than Watson.
     
  9. Br4d

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    Watson was always the most likely to do well this year. He's got good talent around him including an A1 WR in Hopkins and several other decent outlets. He's mobile and not afraid to run (yet.) The defense is pretty good as well.

    All of that said the odds are that we're seeing some of his best stuff right now. The NFL doesn't have a lot of film on him yet. The Texans are running a modified spread option to accommodate his talents and the NFL tends to catch up to that kind of scheme. He's fairly likely to get banged up if he keeps using the mobility and he doesn't have Cam Newton's 6'5" 240 lbs to handle that.

    I'd have been ok if the Jets drafted Watson but I doubt they gave away a franchise QB opportunity when they chose not too. Adams was a better pick on the 6.
     
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  10. K'OB

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    You missed the point I fear, it wasn't about him being a mobile QB per se, I guess it was how many times would he be sacked behind our OL plain and simple and that was a reply to Abraham94 saying our OL would be fine for him, he has been sacked 14 times behind a far better line than our own, so his style may well not be compatible with our leaky OL, did you not see Wake feast upon it in the last game, they barely learned a lesson after the first time and he was left to maraud at will.

    So to combine a QB that likes to hold the ball and look downfield for a big throw or a WR to get open and a porous OL is a foolish in the extreme, so say we did draft him, the chances are there would be people calling him a bust due to the fact he has been sacked umpteen times and or has thrown a shit ton of interceptions due to being hurried along.

    These are the small margins between success and failure for a rookie, you get lucky like Dak Prescott or you don't

     
  11. The Waterboy

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    Times sacked isn't the best indicator though, sacks per drop back is a better indicator and Houston at 10.10% is #3 only behind Indy 11.34% and Buffalo 10.11%. They have only faced 2 teams with a good pass rush and the other 4 are in the bottom half of the league in sacks.
     
  12. LAJet

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    Steven A is dead wrong once again. Almost as wrong as when he proclaims Bowles is a good coach. Bowles is not even able to coach the defensive side of the ball and make adjustments that are desperately needed. He gets out coached every week.
    As to drafting Watson. Hindside is twenty twenty but Maye is a stud and future pro bowler. There was no way Watson would have gone ahead of Adams, and as long as Bowles is there, it would not have mattered, because he would not be playing Watson any more than Petty or Hack. That is the real issue.
    We can't seem to find out what we have in house but people dream that Watson would have waltzed right in as the starter. Lol not as long as Todd is there.
     
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  13. TwoHeadedMonster

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    So do you think the Chiefs were wrong to select Eric Berry when stud QB prospects like Tim Tebow, Jimmy Clausen, and Colt McCoy were available in 2010? Even with all the time Berry has missed, do you really think they would have been better off with one of those guys?
     
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  14. Rivers23

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    Well, Hack had been drafted. We had Petty from before, why would we draft a QB? This is logical. What is not logical is that we didn't even play those two properly. So in that regard, Stepen A. Smith is right. If the leadership of the team knew their new draftee sucked, if they knew the guy you got before him sucked, then why not draft Watson? Considering what's happened during the last 2 years, yes, the Jets' moves are nonsensical, but I wouldn't say they were nonsensical at the time.
     
  15. Zach

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    31 teams passed on this scrawny kid named Tom Brady - not once, not twice, but six fucking times. Let that sit for a minute then cool off.
     
  16. The Waterboy

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    From the OP, "Steven A Smith is ripping the Jets passing on Deshaun Watson and he’s 100% right.". I don't waste my time watching him so I'm not sure if he actually said what you are saying but based on the above sentence not sure how you would say he is right.

    Besides that, just because a QB puts up decent numbers in his first few games, in a simplified offense, mostly against teams that are bad against the pass, doesn't mean he will hold up against better D's after coordinators have a little bit of film on him.

    Passing on Adams to take Watson would have big a terrible move at 6. Of course we won't really be able to judge this until another couple of years have passed. I would rather they take a true 1st round talent rather than reach for a QB in the 1st, and then take a QB with actual 1st round talent in the next draft.
     
  17. Rivers23

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    If he said that just after the draft, I would've said he was wrong. Him saying it today, he's right. Why? Because at the time the team had 2 young QBs, it made no sense to draft another one. However, the team has not been giving them play time, which means the team is not happy with them. So if it's not happy with them, why didn't the team draft Watson? When we put his statement into the context of what has been happening since at least the past year, he's right.
     
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  18. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    You are under the assumption that Watson would actually get game time off Bowles, best chance to win and all of that, bring out the 38yo dancing clown, I mean McCowan :D
     
  19. Rivers23

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    Hah, well that goes without saying, of course Watson would serve as a bench warmer to some veteran who knows the best places to eat in 20 cities in the USA.
     
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    Has berry really helped them do anything besides make the playoffs and continually lose to teams that have franchise Qbs once they make it there?

    sure Alex smith this year seems to have finally become more then a game manager but in 2010 Matt cassel was their QB, as a fan I would have wanted to take a shot at a QB in the first round, I wouldn't have lost sleep over missing out on Eric berry, I would have been satisfied that my team took a shot to get the most important position locked down.
     
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