I agree with you, this isn't a clever mimic since it substitutes what completely different people said in for the OP. The OP of the Coples thread was fairly neutral, no crazy optimism and most of the other replies were rational as well. It'd be a better joke if it didn't require such grasping and manipulation of what actually happened, or if it wasn't already obvious that every team has overzealous fans. If this wasn't the quiet part of the off-season then I'm sure more people would have ripped into the Coples sunshiners.
I agree with everything except for Gilmore being raw. I'm not sure how you could get that. The dude started for 4 years, starting 40+ games in the SEC, the best conference in football, going against guys like AJ Green, Julio Jones, Alshon Jeffrey, Reuben Randle, etc. every year for 4 years. If that type of experience is considered raw, then what is polished? He cant start for any more than 4 years lol.
Ok poor choice of words I was referring more to his technique. Gilmore was a mid round pick, because of physical potential. Then his combine and measurables sent him sky high. His technique and skill set are sloppy, and he just beat guys up because he simply was far more gifted than the guys he went against. In the NFL hes gonna be on even ground physically in his matchups, so his technique needs to drastically improve or hes gonna get rocked.
Gilmore actually started 3 years as he declared for the draft after his junior year. Although the positive reviews of Gilmore from both the beat writers and the national media (Clayton, for example) are encourging, clearly it means little until the pads come on. What is great to hear is that he is a student of the game. He's always talking about improving his technique and he's putting in the work to do so.
No higher bust potential than Coples, I'm just not toting him around as the next JPP or whoever you prefer.
I'm sorry but this is retarded If his bust potential was no higher than Coples he would of been projected to go much higher, and would of gone much higher. Jones stock flew out of nowhere, and he got drafted on potential alone. Where as Coples got drafted on actual performance for MORE than one year. Yes they can both end up as busts, but Jones clearly is the greater risk. And even some more now that he will be playing on such a putrid defense, and a team that doesn't care about defense
From what I've heard, Jones is a bit more of a project pick. What I'm understanding from the picks that the Pats made, Belichick is looking towards the future once Tom Brady retires from the team, which is probably around when Jones will reach his potential, if he does develop as they hope. I think Bill realises that it is very unlikely that he can get a QB who is on the same level as Brady, so for the Patriots to survive and not collapse like the Colts did last year, they need to begin building a solid defense to help Tom Brady's successor. Would you agree? Just something that popped into my mind when ya mentioned JPP since he took a while to flourish and is probably what the Pats are hoping for from Jones over time.
As a lifelong Gamecock fan, I can truthfully say I was glad it was the Bills who drafted Gilmore. Great speed, and a real ballhawk, but he also gave up a lot of big plays and blown coverages, which made him a constant source of frustration. He will have the pickoffs, but there will be a lot of "WTF are you doing?" plays to go along with them.
I'm a gamecock too and I'll say you are right on. He did give up a lot of big plays in his time at Carolina. He never lived up to potential either - I suppose maybe if he stayed he might have, but his freshman year he was great. He finished last year pretty strong too but his soph year and the first half of last year he was very disappointing and got beat a lot. I think it was a decent draft pick though because he is one hell of a playmaker, and is dangerous with the ball in his hands but maybe too high because he'll get beat too - he's a gambler. I think he becomes a DeAngelo Hall / Terrell Buckley-like NFL player, he'll get his INTs and probably be overrated because of it by many but real football people will recognize the deficiencies in his game. A decent NFL career but never a top CB in the league or anything.
Just like Coples, his game tape was not perfect. He still was trusted enough to start as a freshman in the toughest conference in the country and against the elite receivers previously mentioned. He's an extremely hard worker. If he fails, it won't be from lack of effort.