State of the Secondary

The Jets played him at safety under Rex a few times situationally before they traded him.

Many people were screaming for him to start at FS, but Rex decided to always have two strong safeties running the back end.

Defensive genius and all that.

Edit: I can find no information about the draft pick that they got for Lowery, but since the Jets traded a pick to GB on the same day for the great Caleb Schlauderoff (or however it's spelled) I'm assuming it was the same pick.

Tanny was wheeling and styling, LOL.

 

DAT versatility though when it comes to strong safeties! Watch Kyle Wilson go to another team, slide over to FS and proceed to get more interceptions in 1 season then he has with his entire career with the Jets.

 

I think Marcus Williams really has a chance to stick. He was shut down at NDSU. I've been impressed with him. Not saying he's Revis or anything, but he has a chance to be a quality starter, a nice find no doubt.

Jarrett is interesting. I'm not quite sure where he fits, but I think he'll at least be a quality backup. Antonio Allen has seriously regressed, probably because he's been flip-flopping a ton.

 

this is the worst secondary unit i can remember on the Jets.

Landry has been our most reliable player back there, and i don't expect he'll be back with the pending regime change/rebuild.

Williams has been the only positive. maybe he can develop into an eventual starter, we'll see.
he hasn't been tested too much, as Walls and Wilson have been such easy targets.
but he has been consistent at least, which is a good sign for a guy with little NFL experience, and not an entire offseason in Rex's system.

Jarrett has been very inconsistent.
As epic as the game in Pitt was, he had so many mishaps in the follow up against Buff.
i wouldn't count on him as more than future depth.

Walls, Wilson, Adams and the rest shouldn't be on the team in the future.

We need a quality CB in FA this offseason, as well as a capable S if we let Landry go.

 

There's as much chance that McDougle will never contribute a damn thing to this team as that he will. I think the former is more likely, in fact.

 

I agree with your assessment regarding the need to add (at least) a starting CB. But regarding the point about Milliner and McDougle, you imply a simple arithmetic equation, that adding two injury prone players together makes one good (and presumably healthy) player. That didn't follow this year, and there's nothing as a general matter to support the notion. For example Milliner is not more likely to be healthy merely because McDougle is also injury prone.

Ftr I don't think the Jets can or should count on either of them.

 

Anyone think we can steal Devin McCourty from the Pats? By all means he isn't a star but he brings stability to the FS position and we can have Pryor in at SS permanently.

 

Brad,

You knew I would not forget your prediction that starting these scrubs at Cb would not be a problem for the Jets this year, because Cb is not that important a position. I would think this year would make a person with some bare ability to reconsider their past positions in light of the evidence rethink that view.

So far you have not shown yourself to be that kind of person, but there's still time.

 

Yes on Walls and Wilson, but to clarify yes also don't give up on Milliner. But count on him? I don't think so.

 

I think you've become fixated on the CB position and the CB position alone. You can easily make the argument that the production at safety has been just as disappointing as the production at CB.

 

This is a thread about the secondary, and of course that includes the safeties. The difficulty in assessing the safeties, though, is that weaknesses among the Cb's has put tremendous pressure on the safeties.

 

I think it's completely opposite actually. The talent at CB I agree is not really good, but those guys have been holding their own. It's amazing when Jarrett had that good game against the Steelers how that secondary looked. Here's a good link on the impact of safeties today. The Jets have been giving up big plays in the middle of the field constantly especially to TEs. Scott Chandler nightmares, Julius Thomas raped us when we played the Broncos.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page...fighting-chance-spread-offenses-espn-magazine

 

First - the corners haven't been holding their own, they've been horrendous all year.

The safeties had their problems before they benched Pryor. Since then they've been holding their own, decent job. The Pittsburgh game has to be looked at as an anomaly though. There was a lot of "unforced errors" in that game from Pittsburgh.

I don't know what team you are watching but they haven't been giving up a lot of big plays in the middle of the field since they benched Pryor. It's been mostly QBs picking apart the corners until they get to the red zone. Chandler and Thomas just had red zone TDs against the Jets D - they weren't gouging them all game or from big plays. (and in some cases those red zone TDs can be attributed to Rex's dumbass outdated 46 defense in the red zone)

 

Its been beyond horrendous....

 

They've done a better job then I think a lot of people are giving them credit for. Again, I never said they were world stoppers or generating tons of TOs. We've had tons of injuries at the CB position, where-as at the safety position we have been healthy all year and we haven't had ANY impact outside of Jarret's game in Pitt. 0 impact on a position that is highly regarded as very impactful on the football field. More than the CB position in today's league.

I was hoping Allen and Pryor would do much better as a safety tandem - and Landry well he doesn't do anything on the field. Plenty of teams like the Ravens and Dolphins have had issues at CB (especially the Ravens) , but the play at S has helped solidify the secondary.

The Chandler and Thomas TDs were VERY big plays - those plays got us down big each game. The threat of even having them out there puts fear in the hearts of the Jets D. When Kyle Rudolph gets 2 TDs on us this weekend you might think differently

 

Any game you've watched with the Jets this season - you look at the middle of the field and you tell me how well we protect it.

 

I think our point is contention is surrounding the term "big plays". I am thinking more - long plays and you are thinking more big in terms of momentum.

-If a QB drives all the way down the field picking up every 3rd down and picking apart the cornerbacks for 10ish yard chunks all the way to Jets 5 yard line and then finds his TE who beat a safety for the TD...

Do you blame the safeties more than the corners? It kind of sounds like you do to me. Because that's what happened with Chandler & Thomas for the most part.

In my exampleThe TE catch was "big" I suppose that it ended up in a TD but what about the countless other plays on the drive that one batted pass from the CB could've stopped?

 

i agree that the problem has primarily been the corners.

they've been picked apart in almost every coverage assignment there is.
They've been picked apart in Cover 1, Cover 2, in Cover 3, in underneath zones, in bump and run, while allowing a cushion, out of the slot, and along the sidelines. None of the schemes, or areas of the field, have worked.

We have NOT been playing much 46 D this season though, let alone in the red zone. We haven't been playing the 46, and we have blitzed less than any season i can remember under Ryan, because of the corners we have. we also have been daring teams to run, again because of the corners we have. the corner situation has changed just about everything Ryan wants to do on D, and still we cannot mask the problem. The Safeties really have been no help either. Landry is about the only reliable player in our secondary, and he's certainly not great.

you cannot hide an entire secondary. Along with QB and Oline, this needs to be the big priority.
Get a quality CB and a capable S in here for next season.

 

Lowery was traded on 9/3/11 for a conditional draft pick. It turned out to be #214 in the 2012 draft.