This will sound dumb but I think all factors considered(age, new team, new playbook, mostly medicore play this decade, no time to adjust w/ camp starting, cap space, draft picks...) we would be better w/ either Chad or Clemens than getting Favre. If we could have gotten him a couple of months ago then I might have had a different answer but then again in the best season of our generation we signed Vinny in June and he wasn't known as the brightest QB around and he had to learn a new playbook. Maybe it's a sign? I'd still pass.
The 2007 Brett Favre was one that played smarter than he had in years. He learned to trust his team mates, and not try to force as many crazy throws that he had been doing over the previous 4 years or so. He had been trying to do too much and his coaches helped him realize he didn't need to. I'm sure having more talent around him was huge in this development as well. The result was one of his best seasons as a pro. The INT in OT against the Giants in the NFC Championship game was bad, but it was one of few mistakes rather than one of many like prior years. Without Brett Favre, that team wouldn't have been an overtime away from the superbowl. That Giants defense was pretty damn good too - they made the most prolific offense in the history of football look below average two weeks later. I don't think Brett Favre would forget about those things that made him very successful last year. I suppose it's a possibility, but their is risk in everything - there's also a possibility that Chad Pennington and Kellen Clemens have season ending injuries within 4 plays of each other. Learning a new playbook and getting used to new team mates would definitely be obstacles that Favre would have to overcome. That's why they'd have to make this move this week in order for it to have a chance to work. They could scale down the playbook for a couple weeks and still have success with Favre IMO. My guess is that this guy is REAL HUNGRY to be successful to spite the Packers (if nothing else). I don't know why people are talking about him not being smart ... where does that come from? Did you sit down with him and give him an IQ test? Most successful NFL QB's are pretty smart. I'd be willing to put my money on a hungry Brett Favre being successful in most situations.
All things being equal of course you go with Favre, but all things are not equal. You have to trade to get Favre, then hope he learns the offense, hope he still wants to play and hope he adjusts to New York, which is slightly larger and different than Green Bay. What big name player in any sport has ever come to New York and had success right away? There may be a few but usually there is an adjustment period which is about as long as Favre has left.
This is the same guy who used a team issued cell phone to talk w/ the Vikings. He has thrown more dumb passes over the years than any QB I can remember which is why he is the all-time leader in INTs and I don't believe he fared well on the Wonderlic.
It doesn't sound dumb. There's nothing wrong with you opinion. I know we don't run the WC offense anymore per-say, but our team philosophy is the same as the Packers from a year ago. Sound defense. A solid running game to put the QB in position to complete high percentage throws. That's why I think he would fit in. I'm okay with giving our QBs a chance too, but I think if we have an opportunity to get Favre we should at the very least take a long look at it.
He scored a 22 on his wonderlic. Not great, but not awful either. Making poor decisions doesn't necessarily make you dumb. Poor decision making can be corrected - as we all witnessed last season Favre was smart enough to learn not to make so many poor decisions. As for calling the Vikings, he's free to call whoever he pleases. The Vikings are not allowed to talk to him about going there, but he can call anyone from the Vikings he wants to. These things tell us absolutely nothing about how quickly he's going to be able to learn a new playbook. Something more relevant in determining how quickly he can learn a new system would probably be to look at what he did in 2006 compared to 2005 when his INT's dropped from a whopping 29 (2005) to 18 (2006). I agree that he wouldn't have much time and it is a concern though.
Fair enough As I mentioned "eye of the beholder". It has very little to do with age though. Case in point. What was his name? Lynch? the safety from Tampa Bay. Even though he was Herm's best friend chose to sign with Denver, because he didn't want to live in NY. Kris Jenkins on the other hand was thrilled to get traded to the Jets to get out of "the sticks"
I'll echo what Murrell says here. It's not dumb, it's simply an opinion. I don't share that opinion, but I do understand the thinking behind it. Personally, especially if it's for something as small as a second-round pick, I take Favre, and take my chances. What's the worst that can possibly happen? You put him into a competition through camp, and you make a choice of who gets dumped before August ends. I understand apprehension, but sometimes you have to take a risk. This is one of those times.
Part of me thinks the Jets will do what I had gotten used to for the past number of years but finishing a close 3rd or 4th in attempts to work something out for Favre and try to make some kind of a run this season... knowing that we aren't exactly the cream of the NFL crop after 4-12, no matter the offseason moves. Another part of me thinks the Jets want to make a serious PR move like this to take attention away from the fact that they are going to rape season ticket holders with PSLs and need a superstar name and face to draw attention away from that. Talks about PSLs would end right about the moment Favre packed his bags for NY. At this moment I have to say that I wouldn't be shocked to see us trade for him.
And "peepaw" is a term of endearment from me BTW...it's a redneck term but it sounds classier when I use it. :beer:
maybe were gonna see what clemens has this year and if he doesnt show much, we will sign vick next year j/k or maybe im not
Francesa was talking about this angle yesterday. The problem with this is Favre will be 40 and probably will have retired about three more times before the new stadium and the five star restaurant opens.
I don't think they would be concerned with him playing in the new stadium, but it would be nice to have a relatively new Lombardi to christen it with. Image is everything in advertising.
The move to NJ for the organizations HQ is a reason why better players might want to come here via free agency. The Long Island commute and the traffic and the prices of houses are taken into account when picking a team for these guys. Florham Park is a better location. There are about 6 golf courses within a short driving range from there as well.
Man, I never thought of that angle. That would be pretty sick... bringing him in partly because you want to deflect anger and attention from the PSL situation. We will probably never know. But still... if it happened and somebody was to eventually leak that, that would make a lot of people pretty pissed off.
Ultimately, they would bring him in to help the team...but yes it would also deflect some attention from the impending PSL rape. But as I stated before, it would also send merchandise sales through the roof and deflect attention away from the Pats and Giants as well. Favre as a Jet is good for the team, and great for PR.
It actually would be, considering the circus with the Packers would be over, and he'd be on a different team. The media wouldn't be malicious to him since they know he's playing for a couple more years and then retiring. It'd be fun to hear the banter between them. If he does come here, which I still think is not going to happen. Expect a newly drafted QB in the coming years to take over, since Clemens isn't their guy. Ainge is a 4 year project and may be a backup at best. Think Kelly Holcomb.
well, you have to look at each sport differently. Baseball is a more public, individual game and we've seen plenty of premiere players wilt with the Mets and Yankees only to be revived elsewhere. Football is a team game so it's easier to blend in and continue playing at a high level. Also, we're probably as much the NJ jets as we are the NY Jets. If Favre comes here, he will play and likely live in suburban NJ and not the heart of the city. So it might not be as difficult to adapt.
My money is still on Favre not liking the teams he's being shopped to and retiring for real, but money talks, you never know. The moment the owners opted out of current CBA, teams started spending, just look at the frequency of the signings right after that happened. I think we'd be able to pay him what he wants, but I am not convinced it would be worth it. We'd be bidding against Big Boy Danny Snyder.
