why weren't we? it's not like the Pats didnt move down from #7 with the Saints so they could take Sedrick Ellis. Its not like the Ravens didnt move down from 8 to 26 with the Jaguars who moved up for Derrick Harvey.... I would gladly have accepted either deal and slid back and selected guys we wanted anyways like Mckelvin and or Dustin Keller....
More tackles aren't necessarily a good thing, and judging a player based on that stat is incredible misguided, especially an OLB. Gholston never sees the field and his stats over 24 games mirror that fact. He has 7 unassisted tackles and 0 sacks in his first and only 3 career starts, where he was double teamed often. BT, on the other side, had 8 unassisted tackles (9 total) and .5 sacks in those same 3 games. Mind boggling right? And yet we shut down all three of those offenses. And Alex Smith is clearly a bust.
I luv Mangina Everything Happens for a reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One bad draft pick gets you fired and you setup the franchise that fired you with: 1) Franchise QB 2) Stud WR 3) The real defensive genius @ head coach. I Love that Guy!!!!!!!!!!
one of the reasons. the collapse, and the fact that the early warning signs of what he has become in Cleveland.
we should have the best secondary in the league right now... at least he gave us sanchez and edwards to make up for it.
It's funny that you would pick a thread stating that Mangini decided for the organization that they would draft Gholston in which to make that statement. Hahahahahaha
Yeah really. Mangina obviously had input on draft selections. So did Herm. Tanny started out as the front office guy. He has to share credit as much as blame over the years, but it's not all on him.
Agreed, Mike's a lawyer, and has eased into his role- He also brought us D-Brick, Mangold, LW, and Keller. So who gets the praise for those?
He also cost TWO 1st round picks... So, in the whole scheme of things I'll call it even.. BUT, Robertson was not a 1st round projection all year - Gholston was. For an excercise do this... Search Gholston for date before the draft - I just did it and there are pages and pages of debates on this guy.... Look in the draft forum... Now search Dewayne Robertson - Not so much. You really can't compare the publicity and rankings of the two pre-combine... PLUS we have to consider the rest of the draft - In the DRob draft it was a draft LOADED with DTs - I believe 7 of em went in round 1 and they were all rated closely - So, the Jets again spent TWO picks on a position that was loaded... On the VG pick, there wasn't as much options for a pass rusher or really talent at the part of the draft in general.. Nothing screamed off the page... In retrospect both picks sucked - But, Drob to me was an utter disaster the 2nd we traded with Chicago and Bradway admitted he needed to make a splash after public perception was that the Skins fleeced him in recent deals.
mangini gets the normal amount of credit you would give a coach for his input into those selections. the reason mangini is taking heat for gholston is because there have been rumblings since we drafted him that mangini went above everyone to make that pick. i have never heard that mangini went out of his way to make sure we got any of those other players.
I don't see what the big deal about this is. So Mangini fucked up and got fooled by #s and measurements.. that happens all the time. If he really made the decision against the advisement of scouts and Tannenbaum and Co. just let it happen, then they're just as much to blame. This isn't Cleveland, Tanny is the one who brought Mangini in and was who he answered to, not the other way around.
Brick was a no brainer at that point in the draft - Local kid and a good guy - The only decision would have been if Bush or Mario fell... Personally I wanted Mario or Ngata and i'm on record on that one.... Mangold was also the obvious pick everyone had with Mawae gone... Some drafts just fall in your lap....Some take some manuevering.
Brick was a no brainer, but who would've thought that Mangold would be the better pickup. I'm trying to give Tanny more credit here, he's done great this past year as well. Getting Mark and Braylon, that will be a fierce duo for years to come. (hopefully)
A story like this is leaked for two reasons. Gholston has no future with the organization and the organization is trying to protect itself from the shit storm.
Kind of like when a 'team source' came out and scapegoated Mangini for the offensive playcalling last season.
"What do you think we can get from Cleveland for Gholston? Is there anything worth it left over there anyway?" I'd take Trusnick back.
I'm not going to kill Mangini over this, I'm not even sure why this is a story. It has been mentioned many times before, i thought it was common knowledge by now. Anyway no one is ever 100% with drafting, our drafts have been pretty darn good over the last 5 years or so. Gholston may end up becoming the worst draft pick in Jets history but you get a pass for one stinker. I'd much rather kill Mangini for the worst 5 game coaching stretch I have ever seen.
The potential for Mangold was great - Rarely do you see Centers and Guards picked in the top half of a draft due to the $$$$ apsect of not wanting to pay those positions that kind of money... That makes the bottom half of the draft with lots of Guard / Center bonanzas... In reality Mangold was the top pick at his position and salary slot. There's such a sweet spot in NFL drafts for a G or C even at the top of the 2nd....
There are plenty of things to blame Mangini for, but this isn't really one of them. EVERYONE and their mother were clammering for Gholston before the draft. I wanted us to draft McFadden, but was convinced that having a steller LB would be better. Hell, at the draft there were pretty much two camps (McFadden guys or Vernon Gholston guys). Enough already. Gholston's a bust, Mangini's gone, let's move on.
