Here are the people on your list that I would never take over Coles: Javon Walker. In 6 seasons he doesn't have half the catches that Coles does. Comparing the two of them is ridiculous right now. Santana Moss. 6 seasons and 216 catches less than Coles. That happens for a reason. Again a ridiculous comparison. Terrell Owens. Has talked his way off of two teams in a row at this point and is a major reason that Parcells is not back for a 4th and final season with the Cowboys. At the age of 33 he has not played in a winning playoff game in 4 seasons. Muhsin Muhammad. 34 on Saturday and has had much worse seasons than Coles the last two years. No thanks. The people you could make an argument for either way are Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson. If you actually look at the circumstances that Boldin played in (Larry Fitzgerald opposite him, Warner and Leinart passing to him) and what Coles had (nobody decent opposite him in 2005 and Bolly passing to him) it's a tossup. Andre Johnson is a great talent but his numbers the last 3 years do not suggest he's head and heels over Coles. In fact his numbers the last 3 years look a LOT like Coles numbers and he didn't have turf toe for 2004 and 2005. I make out about 5 receivers tops in the entire NFL that I would take without thinking too hard about it over Coles, and at least two of them (Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald) either have to prove that they can do it on a regular basis or that they can bounce back from an off season.
In an earlier post in this thread we discussed the fact that Ward has fewer catches than Coles over the last 4 seasons and about 20 more receiving yards over the same period. They're virtually identical from a production standpoint, but because Ward was in the Super Bowl and on the Steelers, he gets a lot more exposure than Coles. Don't let media exposure confuse your ability to look at productivity
Coles gets the lack of respect the same way Martin did. Neither are "big play" or "flash" type of players, but both are hard nosed, consistent and come to play! * * I'm not saying Coles is a Curtis Martin Caliber player, but he's damn good
You can't compare 80s production w/ 00s production. monk is not in the hall b/c in 15+ seasons he was among the top 10 in recs just 4 times, top 10 rec yds just 3 and Tds just ONCE. Coles so far has been top 10 in recs just twice, rec yards just twice and never in TDs. it's a different era. Herman Moore had 528 recs after 7 years ad he's not going to the Hall. Jimmy Smith had 585 recs after 7 seasons playing(his 1st 2 ears he didn't play) and Smith isn't going to the Hall and was a MUCH better WR than Coles. Shannon Sharpe had a career ending njury when he was still at his peak- he SHOULD be in the hall and he was MUCH better than Coles. Haywoon Jeffires had over 500 recs after his frst 7 seasons played, he barely playe dhis firt 2 years(I didnt' count those res)ad he'll never make it. Andre Rison had over 500 recs after 7 seasons, he'll never make the Hall and he was better than Coles. harison is a lock, Key will not get in and Key has been better than Coles, holt is a lock, Moss was a lock- we'll see if he can get bak to normal, owens is probable nd much better than Coles, Ward is better tha Coles and is a borderline candidate. You are crazy if you think Coles wil be a HOFer. why isn't herman Moore in? Why isn't Andre Rison in? I HATE when people do that just b/c a post is long. There is NOTHING in that post that gives any reasons why Coles should be o his way to the HOF. I wouldn't take Javon Walker, Santn Moss(hurt too much), Muhammed, Wayne(playing w/ manning and alongside Harrison makes life easy), Ward(only b/c he appears to be declining)
Stats are not the only way to grade a player. Ward came up in the big game.. That counts for something.
He missed 1 full season with an ACL tear. This guy has more talent. He can stretch the field, and open up the running game. Why is it when someone disagrees with you they are automatically ridiculous? He has many less catches because 1) He's not a possession receiver and 2) He's missed a lot of time. I did say if he was healthy I'd take him otherwise no. TO is 5X the player Coles is. Game changer. He's a bigger Coles. He is more effective in the red zone. He played on the Bears with Grossman.. what do you expect out of him? Boldin did just fine before the arrival of Fitzgerald AND when Fitzgerald was hurt for multiple games last year. NUMBERS... ugh.. if that's all you're going to base stuff on no point continuing. Poll NFL teams, who would they rather have.. It's a no brainer. Johnson all day long. Call up the Texans now and see if they make the deal... Coles is a #2 receiver, who happens to be #1 by default on our team.
Coles is an outstanding WR and on a power team with a solid running game a good pass catching TE would be the kind of guy to make plays in December and January outside and all day. The problem with Coles is the Jets are a finesse team that can't get the ball deep and Coles is taking a beating for it getting pummeled by SS and LB instead of CB and FS. He has a lot of mileage on him and is likely to fall of the cliff in production very soon.
Herman Moore was hurt in his 9th season and never recovered his form. Jimmy Smith and Haywood Jeffires did not get to 500 receptions in 7 seasons and they're not part of the group I specified, sorry. Sterling Sharpe was hurt AND he played with Don Majkowski and Brett Favre, both QB's who were much better than what Coles has played with. Andre Rison was hurt in season 8 and never recovered form. Your examples either prove my point (and you missed one by the way) or do not conform to the class I specified. Stay on target.
The injuries are not why he didn't make it, he had an 11 year career played mostly at a high level which is long enough to get in. Both barely played in their 1st 2 real years but from the time they started playing they reache 500 in 7 seasons and both were better players than Coles. Don majkowski MUCH better than Chad?:lol: '94 Favre was better than Chad, '93 Favre was not even close so in ONE of his years was his QB better than Chad. Then how did he catch 70+ balls for over 1,000 yards in year TEN? plus 7 TDs which matches Coles career high. I am very much on target, you are making excuses and I am showing facts. The facts are there have been a alot of WRs w/ better 3s who were better playesr who will not make the Hall and unless Coles gets significantly better for many years to come he has no shot.
PS. Last year Sideline Santana caught half as many balls as Coles. (45, 91) Coles finished with 200 extra yards. (1100, 838) approx....
i would take javon walker over coles...in his 3 healthy seasons he has had 9, 12, and 8 TD seasons all higher than coles single high of 7 walker is younger and bigger and will be a huge weapon for cutler....
i think TDs is a key stat for wrs...the ability to get into the endzone is what makes a guy who may only touch the ball 3-8 times in a game so dangerous and it is the #1 reason why Randy Moss and Terrell Owens will be in the Hall of Fame
coles has never been dominant...he is great, but here is a few stats why he wont touch the hall of fame "Seasons among the league's top 10 Receptions: 2004-7, 2006-6 Receiving yards: 2002-10, 2003-7 Laveranues Coles is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category." -from pro-football-reference
nice stats? it is what he did. i argue with my friend about plaxico and coles on who's better and i know coles is better, simply because he is shorter, and has to do alot more to make a reception than plaxico does. just look at the stats. look what he did to a patriots team who was coached by BB to score a TD. nuff said.
When TO lands in the Hall of Fame I will forever boycott the NFL. I just don't see that head case making it in. He's nothing but problems everywhere he goes. And how many rings does he have again? Oh, right - NONE.
My thought. Coles is a tough guy. Runs good routes, has good hands and commits. However he does not bust the big TD plays that is the "so called" feature of offensive football today. He stands up does what nees to be done for the team but is not a highlight guy so no pro bowl. Guess what "so called" fans have an input and "so called" sports writers who want to keep selling product don't agree. Sheesh what do they know? Sheesh what do I know but it is my opinion!
The run against the Pats in the first game was the best play I have seen a receiver make in years. He made 4 guys miss him on the way in to the endzone. That's what excellent runningbacks do. Anybody have a link to the video of that run?
114 tds...and being an a**hole might not be enough of an argument to keep him out especially if he keeps playing just an update...114 tds is 4th for any wr ever(yea...only rice/c. carter/harrison ahead)) and 9th alltime for rushing/receiving tds combined irvin...who was just inducted had 65 tds(that is 49 less...49!!!) and the one year he was on a team that competed for a championship...he played an incredible game, injured. and for an average 49er team...he made the game winning catch w/ that big hit....so he has some postseason glory lets remember who his qbs(who he hates) are....harrison in as many years has 1 ring w/ peyton and merely 8 more tds...so TO is an absolute beast and if you argue yards...he is less than 200 short of irvin(i place irvin as the low bar for HOF...and lets remember he smokes crack and cheats on his wife...something TO never did) in terms of dominance...he led the league in tds 3 times and if he wasnt hurt it would have been 4 (not to mention 5 other times in top 10 in wr td's) the guy is in great shape...he came into the league and learned something from jerry rice it just wasnt how to handle the media, but rather train so we could be looking at a few more years which would even further the argument
a "curtis martin" of wr...who should get the HOF nod is rod smith and i say "curtis martin"-esk b/c no one remembers him except fans of his team, but the guy has 68 tds(yes..46 less than TO)/17th all time in yards(TO is 16th) and those precious 2 superbowl rings (w/ arguably the greatest qb ever)....and the superbowl highlights to go w/ them i think the bar has been set at 1100 yds 65ish tds and a ring(preferrably 2) and you are in considering TO can double the td standard...i think he can get by w/o a ring and being a dick
