Nothing that's inevitable is scary in my opinion. Quick strikes, relentless offense or defense, frequent bone-jarring hits that produce a lot if injuries, those are scary. Getting a few more points behind each quarter until you lose by 8? Not scary. And that's mostly how the Pats operate. The Raiders of 2000-2002 didn't win any Super Bowls but they were scary. They would paste teams on a regular basis and run the score up and they caused more injuries than any team in the last decade or two.
I judge by what I see. Stats can DEFINITELY be manipulated (not intentionally). Stats at the end of the season can be in garbage time, or a product of 2-3 big games..... Stats need to be considered, but definitely not a primary factor. ProBowls... even less meaningful.
I think the great stats are just icing on what we already know just from watching him. In fact, I was surprised the stats were there to back how much he gives on each play. I would have made the argument without them. I was one of those people that was happy to trade Moss to get Coles back. To me, there was no comparison.
Even with my putting him down, I can't question his effort. No question. I think someone like Moss on this team would help open up the running game. I like Coles on the team, but Moss without the health problems would be a good fit to open up the running game.
Moss is a health problem waiting to happen, and he knows it. It's why he was playing it safe running to the sidelines in '04. Better for them to question your toughness than your durability when negotiating contracts. Injuries are tangible and can be quantified, toughness isn't and cannot. It's all about the money.
Coles stacks up better then pretty well, but for some reason people on this board dont like as our #1 guy. Its sad, he was without a doubt our teamp MVP last season, he went above and beyond. And when ever asked about Coles by the NY media Mangini praises him over and over.
You are correct.. That's how they win games, and I hate it.. My stomach is in knots for 4 hours every Sunday.. Not a good feeling
Spot on - Coles in my opinion is the best WR the Jets have had except maybe Maynard for the reasons you outline. There are few if any WR I would rather have. I like his style of play.
I love LV, I was thrilled to get him back, especially with CP. But statswise, you put up stats that showed LV to be the lowest per catch receiver weakening your argument, but I agree that that shows his actual place among league recievers. Those aforementioned random 50-yard touch downs are what makes up that extra 1.5 yards per catch (thanks statjeff). That is the "game-changing" quality that sets the "elite" #1 receivers apart. He's a really, really GOOD receiver (pretty ok by jetzz's standards, but I know what he means)...but not one of those BAM guys. Even if they only do it 6 or 8 times a season, it brings the O to the next dimension...4D baby!
Come on dude, look who his QB is. If Coles had a real QB with an arm like Carson Palmer he would be at the top of every recieving category. His yards per catch are low because Chad cant throw the ball more then 15 yards. Coles makes the most out of what is given to him. How many times have we seen him bail Chad out by putting his body on the line for an 8 yard catch?
i think there is some element of fear present, but not so much from the WR. when Miller took the kickoff to the house against the Colts, I was definitely scared of Manning having enough time to orchestrate a game winning drive, which he did. even when there was virtually no time for the Pats to come back (in our win at NE), I was still scared Brady could pull something off. and while most WR's aren't particularly scary, there are guys who always threaten to score on any given play. Chad Johnson can go for a 60 yard TD any time. therefore, the D and game planning needs to pay closer attention to him. whether or not you want to label that "fear" is debatable. cheers
I know... i purposefully left out the chad factor seeing how it was a LV thread, and i agree, but how do you explain the patrick ramsey factor and the fact that moss became a star for a year, i mean a brighter star than coles was...yeah, chad held him back, but look what moss did, in the right situation...that's a #1 back...that's why I LOVE that picture that warhound and that mod whose name i forget use as their avatar, they were THE prototype receiving corps: 1. The, "I'll get you when you least expect it", big play guy 2. the, "tough, dependable, intermediate guy with deceptive speed", and 3. the, "just throw it to me and I'll catch it, and don't worry I'll be just on the other side of the chains", clutch man (like the football version of jim leyritz-not always dazzling, but there when you need him) LV is the second if you were wondering.
^^^^ Well you are forgetting Coles never really played with Remsey. He played with an injuried Brunell mostly who was just as bad at throwing the ball deep as Chad and a Uber young Remsey who couldn't get the ball to his recievers. Moss played with a heathly Brunell last year and Ramsey/Brunell spit this year. I think Coles is quicker then people think, but he has never played with a QB how can throw the deep ball.
I do believe he is a number one receiver, but at the same time you aren't telling the whole story. Why didn't you post touchdowns of all those players? What's that you say? Oh cause Coles numbers suck compared to them and it would ruin your argument? I do think Coles is a number one but his lack of a presence in the endzone really irks me.
Ok so here's ramsey; http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302216 and here's coles: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187742 so his best statistical year came with ramsey at the majority of the games, but his highest yards total was earned under none other than 'ol noodles. What does this mean? I haven't the foggiest.
He's one of the best WR's in this league...I kept saying that when people knocked the Santana trade...his consistency is amazing and he has the propensity to make the clutch catch. I worry about the punishment he takes, but as far as game in game out there's not alot of guys id rather have out there.
I love Coles as our WR. I was real happy to see him return from Washington, but I was so happy when he had speedy McMoss here with him to go cause a distraction way up the field. Just Coles is more than good anyhow, this Cotchery cat is lookin' great, but not super fast, yes? .
Coles has never been in the elite category(w/ early Moss, harrison, holt, etc...) but he has been in that next tier for a long time. He's a very underrated player.
