So it was the O-Line after all?

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  1. RobertTheJr

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    It isn't that Sanchez would rather throw into triple coverage than take a sack - it is that after being sacked and hit over and over, due to poor OL and WR work, someone has to make a play (Rabid fans demand it - throw it to the guy who got open .5 seconds before the qb gets drilled type stuff).

    The result of drawing the ire of fans for poor pocket presence is trying to do something that simply can't be done.

    11 sacks today. The book on McElroy shouldn't be closed. However, people should realize that McElroy is probably very aware of his situation, which by the way is incredibly different than any situation that Sanchez was ever in. Sanchez needed to win games - it was on his shoulders. He needed to overcome the poor OL, run game, and WR play to win games in order to make the playoffs. McElroy's role however is no where near that scenario.

    You cannot compare the two beyond ability at this point. The fact that McElory took 11 sacks is irrelevant. 11 sacks, 1 int and 2 fumbles?

    Not sure how that makes people excited.
     
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  2. soxxx

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    Sanchez pressed all year, he needed to make the play. Look at Brees, Brees all year has been pressing because he needed to make the plays because of the defense, thats why Brees had bad games.

    Sanchez was getting bashed after victories over the Colts and Rams, for not having more yards.Thats the media for you, thats also why Sanchez prolly tried making plays, he listened to the media to much.
     
  3. Moonshine

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    No disrespect meant, but this is just bad logic.

    We didn't pull Sanchez and throw in Drew Brees. It was a 7th round pick that never started or took starting reps in practice up to this point.

    Its also one game against an underrated defense.

    There's just too many variables here to make a real conclusion.
     
  4. Aewhistory

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    His second start? Unless I have completely lost my mind, this is his first ever start and only the second time he has appeared in an NFL game. I had hoped to see more than what I got from McElroy today. Then again, I had also hoped that the pod people wouldn't abduct our OL and replace them with hairy cheerleaders, but I guess all sorts of weird shit has been going on this week.

    And I agree about the Gmac/Sanchez comparison. While McElroy did not light up the score board, he hardly looked worse than our, highly touted, highly drafted, four year veteran QB. It is a colossal shame that Sanchez has attained such a lowly level of performance that a one of our wideouts can out throw his and our third string QB can equal him after playing in 1.25 games. OTOH, Mark is probably laughing all the way to the bank....
     
  5. JetsKickAss

    JetsKickAss Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez was given the QB job to win games.

    Greg was given the QB job and told not to make turnovers.

    Big difference.

    Today was a success for McElroy, folks. He gave you what you and Rex wanted: no/few turnovers.

    Enjoy....
     
  6. RobertTheJr

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    That was exactly my point.
     
  7. soxxx

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    Its a much deeper issue, its not all QB, this whole offensive unit is dysfunctional and not a real NFL offense. No RBs, Wrs, Oline. Its overall pathetic
     
  8. Jett

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    what I say was a lack of fight in the line, something I haven't seen. In most games the line wasn't the problem, Sanchez had enough time to make a decision, 3 or 4 seconds is enough. However today it seemed like Greg would be lucky to get 3 seconds. There's a difference. This offensive line laid down today. All their fault.
     
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    The_Darksider Well-Known Member

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    Please go watch film of some of the games early last year, particularly the Ravens game.
     
  11. The_Darksider

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    Common denominator? Rex Ryan.
     
  12. EL Kabong

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    The really bad thing. Any FA qb worth a dam wouldn't want to play with our oline.
     
  13. avrus

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    That game was a car crash in slow motion for over 3 hours.
     
  14. Freeman McNeil

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    Amen. I don't think any QB can be successful with this offense. Football is a team sport. Look at Brady when he get's pressured. Put him in our offense, throwing to our receivers, being protected by our OL and he would look below average.
     
  15. Freeman McNeil

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    Yup. A dominant OL is the key to ground and pound. The OL was actually one of our biggest weaknesses last year, so how can you proclaim yourself ground and pound and then not fix it. Did they think Sparano was going to make that much of a difference?
     
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    Yup. A dominant OL is the key to ground and pound. The OL was actually one of our biggest weaknesses last year, so how can you proclaim yourself ground and pound and then not fix it. Did they think Sparano was going to make that much of a difference?
     
  17. Freeman McNeil

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    Agreed, but next season, we'll likely have: Holmes, Hill, Edwards, Kerley back. We'll need to draft another WR threat and we should be OK if we can get some pass/run blocking up front. If we can get a WR, OT, OG and a solid blocker at the TE, or FB we will be markedly better regardless of who the QB is.
     
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    Release Damien Woody, have LT retire, have Tony Richardson retire, let Hartsock and Braylon Edwards (in his prime) get away and have no one to step in. That's how. Here's my thinking.

    The OL has to be a cohesive unit, and it was with Woody at RT. You take a pro bowler like Woody out of the mix and Brandon Moore has more to worry about as does Mangold and on down the line.

    LT was not only a hall of fame RB, but a phenomenal all around player as well. Even though he was older when he joined us, he was great at swing passes out of the back field, but just as, or more importantly he was a solid blocker for the QB. If someone broke free you can count on LT to pick them up, that made our line look alot better.

    Tony Richardson was a perennial all pro at fullback and he showed why with the Jets. He was the best there was at opening up holes for RB, look at his career and the stats of the backs he blocked for. He was still competitive into his late 30s, because his technique was so flawless.

    Ben Hartsock, not an all pro by any stretch, but he was like another Offensive Lineman and boy could we have used that this year.

    Braylon Edwards in his prime gave us the other receiving threat we've been lacking since. More receiving threats means more for the defense to worry about and since they can't double cover everyone someone will be open. If they drop another person back into coverage then that helps our run game.

    Now back to your initial point FIRE TANNENBAUM!!!
     
  19. Freeman McNeil

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    Think we'll go for an OLB to replace Thomas, or Pace, most likely Thomas.
     
  20. Hobbes3259

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