Pretty much. An annoying aspect of going to live games is all the TV timeouts with the players just standing around in the middle of the field doing nothing for minutes at a time. I surprised they don't take their cell phones with them so they can txt their buddies during timeouts.
Wait, when you say "brand" do you mean like a cattle brand? Like stick a metal rod with an image in a fire until it's red hot and then push it into your skin and cook your flesh kinda brand?!? I'm hoping I'm missing something here....
Coples is a tough call. I have been waiting to see him step it up the last two, even three, seasons, to live up to his draft status. Which sadly he has not, but he's not an overall bust, either. Kind of r ight down the middle. I agree with those who say what happens with Wilkerson may help answer the question here.
He was drafted in the 2nd half of the first round. So, not sure why people have his draft status inflated, like he was the No. 2 pick in it. He's played out of position on a potent defense and has made some plays. It's unclear why people have expectations that he should be a one-man wrecking crew. He's a talented DL who has taken one for the team, playing out of position, which has allowed other DL to excel and provided much-needed depth to the unit. Why people want to trade or disparage this talented TEAM PLAYER I don't understand.
In terms of the picks around Coples, I think the Jets made the right selection. Melvin Ingram (bust- OLB Chargers. #18), Shea McClellin (bust - DE - Bears, #19) have been non-productive. Chandler Jones (#21) has been really good, but he's been strictly a pass-rusher where-as we got Coples doing all kinds of weird shit. Who knows if we were a primary 4-3 defense how many sacks Coples would have. Bruce Irvin (#15) isn't all that great either.
I don't disagree with these assessments, but the relative quality of those players does not provide a clear indication of whether Coples should be optioned.
I think at the end of the day Coples was worthy of the 18th pick. If he played in his natural position he would get more love on this board. If Bowles uses Coples correctly, I see a 10 sack season no doubt about it.
So we can pick up the option, and it wont become guaranteed until next season? I cant think of one reason to not pick up the option in that case. If he sucks this year, he's gone. If he's awesome, we have a good player on a relatively cheap deal. IMO he is the most underrated player on the Jets. He's definitely more disruptive than he is given credit for. I'd like to see him given more of an opportunity to rush the passer. Hopefully with a much improved secondary he'll rush more and make his impact more noticeable.
I want to see how Coples does when he is in a system that has him dedicated to rushing the passer only.
Fuckin A, man!! Coples is a modern-day Marty Lyons. For those not familiar, the Jets Drafted Marty Lyons in the first round, No. 4 overall I think, way higher than Coples was. Marty played on the Sack Exchange. He was much more highly touted than Mark Gastineau, who the Jets took with the 23rd pick in that 1st round (going by memory). But Marty didn't generate near the pass rush that Gastineau or Klecko did. But he was essential to that unit's success, as was Abdul Salaam. Back then, fans had loyalty and there was no Internet or 24-hour cycle. So, you know, people actually stood behind the team's players. They weren't looking to trade them because they read a report about them from before they were drafted. It would have been silly for the Jets to contemplate trading Marty Lyons. Considering the injury history of the Sack Exchange--both Klecko and Gastineau missed significant time--they would have been devastated to lose Mr. Dependable, Marty Lyons. I think the same could be said about Coples. As jcass10 says, he's probably the most underrated player on the team, mostly because people's expectations seem unrealistic based on the role he has been asked to assume and because people who post on these boards generally are very negative people with nothing good to say about anyone because to do so, in their minds, makes them "homers" which, to them, is the worst thing you can be: a loyal fan.
Coples was not great in college nor so far in the pros. At this point it is pretty safe to say that Coples will never be great. He will always be one of those guys that tease potential. As long as his pay is commensurate with his play and I'm perfectly fine with that. He is the perfect candidate for an incentive laden contract. You can't field a defense full of superstars. You need some overachievers and underachievers; Coples being the latter.
Bryan Thomas never showed "flashes of brilliance in college" like Coples he was just a "Combine Workout Warrior". His measurables never matched up with his play of the field at any point in time.
I would agree with the notion that you won't have a defense full of superstars. But I'm not sure that Coples was ever considered one or should be considered one. And I REally don't see a lot of "underachieving" by a guy who plays out of position and with a DL that has two legitimate elite players. I guess I would ask people where they feel he's underachieved and why. If Richardson or Wilkerson are taking the majority DL snaps, of course they are going to make the lion's share of tackles. If Coples was asked to play in coverage, how is he supposed to have all that many sacks? I just don't see the underachieving...it seems like a label that even a small amount of examination shows is not really valid.
Coples had the talent to be taken top 5 in the 2012 NFL draft. He was taken in the 2nd half of the draft because many feared he would never realize his full potential. He's proven a lot of scouts and GMs right. His negatives are still the same now as they were coming into the league. WEAKNESSES Coples' motor has been the single question mark throughout his collegiate career. While Coples is known to possess strength and quickness that should beat most offensive linemen in the ACC, at times he can disappear from the action. While he is a great interior player, Coples doesn't see much action outside the box and his lateral movement can be an Achilles heel for him when running down plays. There are also question marks surrounding his ability to use his hands, and his ability to ignite his feet and hips to make quick-twitch plays. He can seem as if he's moving in slow motion at times.
I haven't seen any evidence of this other than Ryan mentioning an incident in the weight room in the offseason. What specfic examples have you seen? That said, it does mention he has elite talent.
No I don't have specific examples of Coples not having the motor of a guy like Richardson. So I must be making it up.
You didn't make it up, you just blindly--and without evidence according to your own statement above--accept it as fact. People say negative shit about people all the time. Doesn't make it true or false...if you choose to believe something, do you just do it because you're told or do you actually verify the accuracy of what people have told you? sounds like you just accept what people tell you.
