Should Bill Callahan be promoted to OC?

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Callahan for OC?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    i agree with this.
     
  2. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    If you mean the RT then I'm going to go ahead and put that one on Schottenheimer. Hunter is a shit OT yet Schottenheimer refuses to leave in a FB/TE/HB to at least chip and release the pass rusher coming from the strong side and instead leaves Hunter out there on his own, awful self.

    Wake vs. Hunter is a clear mismatch for the Jets in that situation and yet Schottenheimer made almost no attempt to correct it. As for Callahan, well there's only so much you can get out of a 2nd year LG playing his first season as a starter and a giant pile of cow shit stepping in for your starting RT.
     
  3. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I'll contend that the unit in question is at a distinct disadvantage due to everyone who has eyes being able to identify every single play the Jets are running before the ball is snapped.
     
  4. AbdulSalam

    AbdulSalam New Member

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    What does Callahan's unit have to do with shitty playcalling, dumb gameplans, failed passing, dropped balls and a QB that doesn't know how to get rid of the ball fast enough?
     
  5. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    It's painfully obvious that we're getting zero push in the run game and we're getting raped for the most part in pass protection. No offensive coordinator could be successful under those conditions.
     
  6. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    Are you serious? As terrible as Sanchez was today he was pressured almost every down. And most of the time the Dolphins were only rushing 4 guys.

    Secondly, have you watched the run blocking at all in the last 6 weeks? Do you really not see how embarrassingly bad the Oline has been?
     
  7. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    way too many of you think every play is supposed to catch the defense completely off guard. Teams only have so many looks and run so many plays with slight variations. Thats why opposing teams watch film. When it boilds down to it, execution is what wins or loses.

    I have news for you guys. Last year when we had our good run, the other teams knew what the fuck we were gonna do. We wanted to pound the ball with TJ and Greene later in teh year. We said "here it comes asshole" and they still couldnt stop it because every defender was blocked. Execution, execution, execution.
     
  8. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Guys you know I've been with you all along, but come on. Couldn't the reason we're getting no push in the run, or raped in the passing game, or that the OLine is bad because the defense easily reads the plays before the snap?

    I don't ever pay attention to routes our receivers run, but I'd guess that they run the same exact ones over and over, leaving the secondary an easy job of knowing who/where to cover, leaving no open targets for Sanchez.

    Why does the kid always throw into triple coverage? Is he just that stupid? Or are they reading the plays like a book?
     
  9. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    We're getting raped in pass protection almost exclusively from the right side of the offensive line where we have Wayne Hunter matched up one-on-one with fucking Cameron Wake time and time again. If nothing else(and there's a shit-ton else) that is definitely Schottenheimer's fault. Callahan isn't the one drawing up the protection schemes and it's not Callahan's fault that Hunter is left alone in a blatant mismatch that favors the run.

    That part alone is Schottenheimer's fault and it keeps happening because we have to run 5-wide for three consecutive plays despite the fact that Sanchez was sacked or at least hit on the first two.

    As for the running game: it's kind of hard to get a push when the entire defense can sell out against the run because they know exactly when we're running the ball and exactly when we're passing it.
     
  10. sozopol

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    I voted yes, I don't know if Callahan's the answer but I do think it is time for Schotty to go. The offense problems go back to when Mangini was here, they are the same problems. The unlikely, exasperating combination of predictable, and cutesy just at the wrong time. When Brad Smith comes in, oh my god even my nine year old daughter knows he's going to fake the handoff and run up the middle.

    At least take away his play-calling for a game or two. I don't know how many more games like today I can take.
     
  11. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Schottenheimer is the general manager of the offense. He is the one responsible for fixing whatever isn't working. When we go games at a time completely inept on the offensive side of the ball he has to take a big part of the blame.

    That said, the offensive line is getting raped on the regular. I don't care if people know we're running the ball, we need to win individual battles at the line of scrimmage first and foremost. That's the foundation of offensive success.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    This was a problem with or without Hunter in the game.
     
  13. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    When you know the line is not getting it done as an OC you need to adjust your playbook/plays and play calling. If the O line is not getting the push or giving the time to throw you need to toss sweep outside, swing pass, run traps, have designed roll out pass plays to buy time etc.

    Not continually try to run between the tackles and shotgun passes.

    Note - almost every time when our QB is under center and we have a fullback in the backfield we pass and when we have a single back we run. If I can see it, you know the other team does.
     
  14. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    That goal becomes increasingly difficult when the defense is able to sell out against the run completely. Injuries to the OLine + a predictable offense are part of the reason for that.
     
  15. jonnyd

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    First receiver problem is that Braylon gets stuffed at teh line of scrimmage every fucking play. He never gets open, period. Dude, even if th edefense knows the play, there is no reason their dline should be 3 yards into our backfield. That what the offensive line does. I will break it down for you. When the ball gets snapped, an offensive lineman is either supposed to blow the d-lineman right off the fuckin line OR, in some sexier, more complicated blocking schemes, he is actually suppsed to move the d-lineman to one side or the other, creating what we call a "running lane". This is not happening.

    The other part of their job is called "pass blocking". In these situations, an O lineman is supposed to get in teh way of the on-rushing D lineman so he cannot tackle teh QB. Very often a QB needs to be able to stand erect while his receiver runs down the field. If the O lineman cannot prevent the D lineman from getting to the QB, it is very difficult to complete a pass.

    The extra frustrating part, is that our O lineman are failing in both aspects of their jobs.
     
  16. AbdulSalam

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    Opposing teams have been stacking the box on us since GB. Schotty is apparently the only one that is unable to see this. If you call a running play against a stacked box (something schotty does all the time) you cannot block all the run defenders and they are able to tackle your backs at or near the LOS. If Schotty & Sanchez were able to consistently pass the ball successfully teams would not stack the box and suddenly the running game would magically re-appear. You cannot be serious that you don't understand offensive football 101.
     
  17. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    we tried 3 screen passes today and Sanchez was actually unable in any of these scenarios to make the play. Great calls at the time, zero execution. 17-44 dude. End of story
     
  18. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Look, I'm hardly absolving Schotty from blame here. I think many people including yourself are underestimating how bad our o-line has been playing. They need to be able to win individual battles regardless of whether the opposition knows if we're running or passing. We ran down peoples throats at a ridiculous rate last season. You don't think they knew what was coming?
     
  19. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Fine. I don't care who was in the game, be it the 33 year old who is going to be out the door next season or his pile of shit backup, but leaving the RT marked up against one of the best pass rushers in the game without any help is a dumb call regardless of who is playing RT. Again, Schottenheimer's decision.
     
  20. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    its as simple as that
     

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