Totally and absolutely agree with this. That is exactly why the most ideal scenario might include moving down some on a trade. Its all dependent on how much the brass likes MM and if he is still there at 6.
I remember Vick #43. They are all bad memories, unfortunately. On a positive note, there was also this guy, who you surely remember.
I think Collins has the most versatility out of any lineman in this draft. I would love to trade down and grab Collins. I think he's a better version of DJ Fluker. Peat can't play RT, Scherff whom I LOVE would be an excellent G or RT at the next level (can't play LT). To me it's Collins v Scherff. Not a huge Peat fan, I still have nightmares of that clip of him vs Nate Orchard.
good comparison on Collins.. i guess you can envision him playing either T role then..which would be very valuable. Peat's physicality has me concerned on the RT projection as well. although he's got the perfect build to play either side, and is athletic for that size. tree trunk legs at 6'7" is great weight distribution. also room to grow further into that frame, as he's only an underclassman. then throw in the smarts, and he's definitely intriguing. i do agree that LT is probably his best fit, and could see him succeeding in that role in future. i like Scherff quite a bit, and feel he can immediately step into a G role and be effective. if we draft him, i'd want him to play RT tho. could see him as a Bulaga type RT, which is how he'd have to project in order to take that high imo.. If they really like one of these guys, how far can they realistically trade down? taking an olineman at the 6 may be a long shot, but it could be a possibility..
Great analysis there, I agree w/ everything there. Yeah, I think Collins can play any position on the line cept Center. I would start Collins at RT ... I can't stand Breno, IDK why - I think he doesn't bring anything positive to the table. The versatility is something I really like about him. Scherff, dude is so freaking nasty, I love his attitude - I think he's mean as heck, will punish ANYONE who comes in his way. He's so freaking strong. People used to bash me about taking a G at 6 [IMO, he's an all-pro guard that can move to RT - but might not be as effective - I still like him at RT though], but these interior defensive lineman [Suh, the guys in Buffalo], Mangold is going to need help otherwise Suh is just going to line up over the guard and beat him like a drum. I think G is a HUGEEEE need right now. I would like to talk more about Peat ... Now that I think about Peat, you do have a point in regards to his frame - he def needs to get stronger, once he does - he'll be a good LT at the next level, perhaps an elite LT. That guy has some quick feet and he could counter those speed rushers. He's a perfect replacement for Brick. What I wonder is what will be his role as a rookie? Brick can't play RT - does he just sit on the bench and redshirt? Now that I think about it, I think I would just stay pat at 6 and take the best lineman if the Jets want to draft one. It's a huge risk to trade down ... I think at most you get to 15 and you MIGHT have a chance to take one of those guys. Peat has the most potential, but man I feel we won't have a role for him as a rookie... but does that really matter?
it's an interesting conversation to have imo.. we've hijacked a Ray thread, but that's kinda the point. I don't see Ray as value at 6, as i don't believe he's a 3 down player. i also agree with your Breno assessment, and the state of our Guards. we need lineman. if any of these lineman are legit, we'll get a whole lot more value than Ray, while better setting up our future. whether they are legit is really the question. lol if you put Scherff's nastiness into Peat's frame, i'd jump on the pick. Peat just has the perfect frame of height, weight distribution, agility and room to grow. it's what i really like in a T prospect, along with intelligence, so it's possible i'm overemphasizing it. i have the feeling the Giants will take one of these guys at the 9, and no one will bat an eye. Scherff seems like a Giants olineman thru and thru. it would fill a tremendous need for them, and might just be the top Olineman off the board this draft, so there is value to the pick. if that's the case, is it really a stretch for us to take one at the 6? i don't think we really can trade down if there is one we like. your bolded question is very interesting. i'd much prefer Peat to play RT in the interim if we were drafting that high. but to have a quality backup learn for a year, grow into his frame and NFL, and be an eventual quality LT? i might still be interested.. LT's are at a premium in this league, and hard to come by. they are all worth a long look.. we should continue this topic in a draft thread..
I wouldn't pick Ray at 6. I would much rather draft Fowler or Beasley first. Collins would be one of my top targets if the Jets trade down. Because of his versatility, I'd compare him to Orlando Franklin. The Fluker comparison is pretty good, but Collins is more athletic. Collins plays with a nasty streak and completely dominated SEC d-linemen this year including Fowler.
Shane Ray is a hard grade for me, just because I love some of the things about him but there is a lot of limitations to his game, most of which really are not his fault. He has an amazing get off the LOS, he has a great rip move, undeniable motor, productive, and good technique. The problem is that I don't see him as someone that will be able to set the edge, he isn't someone that can maintain his gap assignments, he gets pushed around the LOS way too much for my liking, he is under-sized. I like him a lot but I don't think he is worth taking at all until that back-end of the first round. Some team will take him before that because of the potential and motor alone, I just don't think it would be a value pick. I actually think Brooks Reed is someone he reminds me of, except, Reed is a much better run defender. So It's hard. I wouldn't do it though. I do like the player however.
Definitely! It's funny, as bad as the Jets have been at picking players at some positions, I think their history with FBs has been among their best. Outside of Vick and John Conner, they had Snell, Tony Paige, Brad Baxter.
Does he go on the good list or bad list in your opinion? LOL I never cared much for him and thought he was overrated by most Jets fans, but I wouldn't put him in the same fail category as Vick and Conner.
Although he got off to a slow start (ended up in Parcell's dog house) he was one of the best. He personally tore the Colts a new one when we blew them out in the playoffs after earning himself a pro bowl spot that year.