Shaken Faith in the New Regime

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  1. GreenHornet

    GreenHornet New Member

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    I must agree, and I am generally a CP fan. He made some very poor throws and decisions in those INTS.
     
  2. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Funny you posted this cause after the failed OSK the Fox announcers mentioned that that is normally a play a team makes when they know they are the weaker team.
     
  3. nyjunc

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    Champ: Welcome back, what did you think about the NE game?
     
  4. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    I already posted my thoughts. Please go look them up
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    You didn't watch the game? Were you stuck in an airport again?
     
  6. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Now how do you know I did not watch the game yesterday. Did I tell U I did not or are you just guessing?
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I saw your post about NE, you said you didn't watch the NE game.
     
  8. championjets69

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    So I watched the hilites, read the papers & got a recap from from my son. Yes when you are out of the country as I was for the NE game it does become difficult to watch. But what does that have to do with watching the Chic game which is what U mentioned?
     
  9. KSJets

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    That, to me, is inexcusable. I think we ran it like seven times in the 2nd half. It's not like we were down by 30 and had to pass every down. In a close game, running the ball 7 times in the 2nd half??? WTF is all you can really say :)
     
  10. KSJets

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    Because you've said repeatedly that you do not watch the losses. Don't jump down peoples' throats when they mention you not watching a loss after you were the one who has said it numerous times in the past.
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    You always have an excuse but every year you seem to have trouble watching the games. What is has to do w/ Chi is you weren't posting after the NE win but as soon as we lose you miraculously have watched that game and have a million comments.
     
  12. Jets81

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    Ok, so a QB under pressure should be forgiven for throwing the ball almost directly to an opposing defender? Regardles of weather you think he was staring down his target or not, it was a horrendous decision. No Jet player had a shot at that ball, Urlacher or not. It was a BAD decision and Chad Pennington can't make bad decisons...it's what his game is all about.

    Yea, I'm saying Chad Pennington needs to play near error free football to keep us in games. He's not going to have a 3TD type game to erase those 2 picks, so those 2 picks can't happen.
     
  13. JohnnyJohnson

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    I agree it was a bad decision. I never disagreed with you. But he wasn't staring down the receiver, which is what I was saying. He felt the pressure coming from the back, he should have lofted it over ther endzone like QBs should do. Chad makes a lot of shitty decisions when he's under pressure. If he was a Manning, a Marino, or a Delhomme that pass is made. People throw into triple coverage all the time and complete the pass. Chad just doesn't have the arm to pull that shit off.

    2 seconds on a very short field with pressure coming in and from behind allows you no time to scan and checkdown. I can't recall the last time I saw Chad throw the ball out of bounds. That's always been his problem, other than him checking down too much. He rarely leaves the pocket, so he only gets the minimum amount of time to throw.

    It occurs to me now that Chad makes rookie mistakes because well, as far as experience goes, he still IS a rookie. He's the oldest starting rookie in the league.
     
  14. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    I don't think I'm in a "win now mode" as most people are accusing me of wanting to sabotage the season for suggesting the Clemens start next week.

    These calls just REALLY rubbed me the wrong way and I probably overreacted but stuff like this really makes you wonder. Twice yesterday they punted deep within Bears territory, I believe it was the 34 and the 37(after the penalty). If you want to use the aggressiveness argument how about going for it in one of these spots?

    Now, I don't know the percentages and both of these situations were 4th and long(it might've been 12 to go both times) however if you convert you're all but assured points, and even if you don't you don't give the Bears that ball in that great of field position. Not only does the onside kick put your defense in a much worse position if it fails, the offense still has to move the ball a good deal to even get in striking range as junc mentioned. So my real problem isn't the CS being aggressive, just that it seemed they picked a really stupid time to be aggressive.
     
  15. JohnnyJohnson

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    Ya know, it wasn't really THAT bad of a call. The Jets D held them pretty much in check for the first half, so it was either the jets get it with a short field and hope for another good drive, or the Bears get it and we continue to shut them down. Didn't work out. Shit happens. I like the aggressive nature, personally.
     
  16. nyjunc

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    We gave them the ball at our 40, they were running well on us. 10 yds and they are in FG range. It was a terrible decision- it gave Chi a free 3 pts.
     
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    "The Jets had held Chicago to a grand sum of three first downs and 80 net yards in the first half, including minus-1 yards of passing from Rex Grossman. In fact, the '06 Jets were making like the '85 Bears."


    Need I argue anymore?
     
  18. Attackett

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    exactly the reason that the onside kick was a bad call at a bad time. The way our D was playing there was no reason to think we wouldn't get a 3 & out & get the ball back in good field position without the risk of giving Chicago a short field to work with.
     
  19. Section 227. Row 5

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    First of all, the play happened right in front of me and believe me, Urlacher had to "work" for this INT, it wasn't the reputed "almost directly to him" INT that people are now creating after the fact. It was a low ball to Urlacher's left and he had to reach for it and scoop it in. But it is true that Urlacher was looking at Penny the whole time (you could see it in the highlights afterwards) and that Penny did pretty much not take his eyes off that side of the end zone, and thus tipped his hand.

    But to this morning slam Pennington for the error is to ignore the fact that this was only the 2nd red zone INT of Chad's entire career! Okay, to be fair, they've both occurred this season, but entering this season, Chad had thrown 47 TD's in the red zone without a single INT!

    I'm not entirely defending Penny's play yesterday, but let's get a handle on the facts before we impugn his red-zone abilitiies.
     
  20. JohnnyJohnson

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    They gambled and lost. Move on. If it worked everyone would claim he's a mad scientist.
     

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