Hmmm, kind of telling that you have produced NOTHING TO BACK UP YOUR IGNORANT CLAIM. Perhaps that's because you knew all along that you were LYING, which is something that you obviously have no qualms about ? Or is it that this is due to ignorance and stupidity ? Either way, it doesn't cast you in a favorable light, now does it ?
Actually cupcake, jockeying players around and replacing starters with guys who are better at the position usually is the cause for improvement in a team. Same thing goes for changes in coaches and changes in SCHEME. If you had the first freaking clue about football, you would know this. But, as you have made very clear, you have no idea what you are talking about.
LOL... you're showing the old Broncos QB holding the trophy and the current Cowboys QB who didn't win one. That might be a valid post if Dallas hadn't won Superbowls also in the past.
There are a lot of exceptions to that rule throughout the years, believe me. In this particular year, the Texans and the Ravens both have top ten w/l records and yet are ranked 23rd and 25th in 3 and out %. I never said that, just said that it isn't a reliable predictor of wins (nor of Super Bowl wins), and it certainly isn't the earth shaking "make or break" type statistic you have made it out to be for purposes of trying to claim that Tebow will never be a success in the NFL (even though he already has been, even with a poor 3 and out %). Nope, wrong again. Never said offensive production doesn't matter. But I would rather have a mediocre offense and a really good defense than a high-flying offense and a non-existent defense. You mean except for those 4 games where Denver was down by double digits halfway through the game?
Did phaytal really claim the Broncos have 2 different starters on defense from last year? And he claims to be a Broncos fan? I'm a Bronco fan and liked Tebow. Coaches were way conservative and not very creative with Tebow last year. Drove me insane. Never threw on 1st down. With all that being said, Tebow has a long ways to go as a passer and his footwork. Not sure if he'll make it in the NFL but I hope he gets a shot again. Guy will work his tail off Hard to think he wouldn't improve.
I think it is reliable when it seems to be hindering the offense game in and game out. Sure, you can point to games here and there where it didn't matter, and it usually didn't matter because the defense still kept the game tight enough to where a lucky break was all that was needed. Me too, but with the way the Broncos defense played much of last year and this year, I'd still rather have the offense they have now than the one they had last year. It was nice racking up wins against the dolphins, chiefs, Vikings, hanie led bears, etc. Didn't even belong on the same field as a team like the Patriots. Did I say they were perfect? I'm quite content right now at 11-3. You wouldn't be? Most of the games have been under control in recent memory. I'm not sure a lot of them would have ended up with wins with the kind of production we got with the offense last year.
Most of those guys were jockeyed around because the guys ahead of them are gone, suspended, or injured. Bunkley left, Williams was suspended (twice) after a couple of DUIs. Some of the guys you list were on the team from back when they were among the worst in the league too. While it is true that some of the guys starting have changed, I'm not seeing all these big changes as far as defensive personnel go that Manning gets to benefit from that poor old Tebow never had. The biggest changes to the defense is Del Rio. ...and Peyton Manning keeping them off the field for awhile. Not having them trot out there after three and out after three and out after three and out week after week after week.
The Broncos have exactly three wins against teams with winning records this year. Just sayin'. Yeah, the Manning-led Broncos really looked like they belonged on the same field when they were down 31-7 to the Patriots in the 3rd quarter. That 17th ranked Patriots Defense didn't seem to be having too much trouble keeping the Manning juggernaut from scoring. One could make the argument that the only reason the Broncos made the score look respectable by the end of the game is because the Patriots defense went into "prevent" mode once they went up 31-7.
Only had ONE last year under Tebow and ONE under Orton, yet I'm supposed to be thoroughly impressed with THAT record. Nice miracle against the 0-5 dolphins. Nice miracle against the Bears who fell off the map once Cutler went down. Nice job against the Vikings who had 2 wins at the time. What were they? 2-9 or something like that? Way to stick it to that Kansas City team with the playoffs on the line who fired their coach and was led by Orton 7 to 3... oops, they lost that one with no offensive production, didn't they? Way to beat the Jets with 10 offensive points. Also took a while for Manning to adjust. Had a year off, recovering from nerve damage... and they still made a game out of it. Stop fumbling the ball 3 times, we may have won that game. Very well could have. At least I can admit that possibility. You people deny it ever happened for Tebow and insisted it was some sort of magic by Tebow. I even gave Tebow props for completing a comeback against prevent defenses as not every guy under center does it. Unfortunately, Tebowners took that as some sort of a slight against Tebow and denied it ever happened.
I should also point out that Manning has already played one more game this year than Tebow played in all last year, including the playoffs. More games, Tebow may very well have had more wins against teams with winning records. So, Manning is in the running for MVP and that is your excuse? Sorry, not buying it. 5th game of the regular season and he already had a thorough beating of Pittsburgh and an absolute dismantlement of Oakland under his belt. Maybe that Broncos team just "didn't belong on the same field with the Patriots". Ever consider that possibility? Actually, I was speaking tongue in cheek just for your benefit (which flew over your head) since you're so fond of writing all Tebow's wins off as the result of "prevent" defenses. Sorry you didn't get the joke. On the other hand, glad you can admit the possibility when it comes to Manning. I have no idea if the Patriots went into prevent or not, can't remember that far back. Possible they did, but the fact is that the Broncos got handled by the Patriots in that game. I guess all those three and outs by the Broncos offense in that game caused the defense to crap the bed. Oh wait....they only had one three and out, and it was a fumble. How can that be? Wasn't it you who has been telling us over and over again how Peyton Manning makes the Denver Defense so much better because he has fewer three and outs? Did the Denver Defense fail to get the memo for that game that they were supposed to be a lot better?
...ore he would have shit the bed like he did agaisnt the Patriots.... twice. Or against detroit. I'm not seeing your point with Manning playing one more game either. Tebow had 12, and only ONE was a win against a winning team. 1 out of 12. 1 out of 15 starts in his career. So how is it somehow more impressive that Tebow did it once in 15 starts? I forgot, we're using Tebowlogic here. it's ALWAYS more impressive with him. That it? That's your opinion, but the rhetoric at the time was that Manning had a long way to go, and might never be the same due to his neck injury. THAT is what the naysayers were saying at the time, and I coudln't disagree. he didn't look like the Manning of old. Remember all that talk about the wobblers he was throwing? Amazing now that he seems to be recapturing his old self that now the critics are saying the Manning of old was there the whole time. That's the difference between you and me. I'll look at the big picture and at least admit we got some help from the other side slacking off. you won't do that though when it comes to Tebow, will you. ...and I stand by what I said. When you are CONSTANTLY going three and out, low completion percentage, and the trend is indicative of an offense that will struggle. Without a defense playing lights out, winning probably won't happen with any regularity. Nowhere near as much as an offense that does when you have a defense playing like that. So feel free to search and find examples of games where punting the ball all day wasn't a big deal because the game was still won. I still think the offense was the weakest link on the Broncos last year, and we should have destroyed many of those teams rather than barely squeaking by some bottom feeder on a miracle of a RB running out of bounds, or a kicker missing a FG in OT.... or a team fumbling the ball in Prater's kicking range in OT... or some freak of nature to get by a shitty team. The offense was the weakest link and it started with the guy driving it into the ditch all day.
