Eli did not look so great 12 games into the 2007 season despite everything you say about him, and NO ONE, including his own GM would have predicted the turn of events that transpired since then
Thanks, I live up here in Cheatriots country so i'm well versed on this BS. I will never understand how a Jets fanbase can complain about a 25 year old that has brought them more success than anything we have seen in 40+ years. Not only do they complain they have given up on him. Even worse I will never understand how the "undisclosed source" could of done what he did to Mark. Considering that "source" signed a big deal with that team knowing full well the QB he was getting. Especially when that "source" played just as bad if not worse than Sanchez at the end of the season not to mention the cancer he spread. Mark has a lot of things to work on, that is clear. I'm confident he will continue to work and use these slights as motivation to get better. He has a long time left in his career and all I really want is JUST ONE super bowl victory.
You are totally ignorant. Either you never saw E Manning play as a young QB or you conveniently have "forgotten" what he was like. Start with the fact that Manning took the starting QB job away from Kurt Warner during his rookie season. Continue with the fact that while Giants fans may have questioned giving up so much for Manning at times, they weren't dreaming of bringing in another QB to "compete" with him or of trading him away to grab another QB. Moreover, Manning's play was totally different from Sanchez's and his difficulties were totally different. Manning has always tried to stretch the field. Manning's passing fundamentals, vision, pocket presence, etc have always been good just not great in his early years. He didn't consistently throw behind receivers, miss open receivers in timing patterns, fail to recognize blitzes, etc. Unlike Sanchez, his check-down receivers have always been his last resort not his first. Manning's inconsistency as a young QB was that he could be brilliant one game and then suck monkey balls the next. Sanchez is much more consistent in that he consistently fails to play well under pressure but looks decent against weak Ds and prevent Ds. Sanchez' best games are more likely to be "pretty good" not "great". The knock on Manning in his early years, and throughout most of his career, was that he would try to do too much and/or try too hard to make plays, and then he would get down on himself. Nobody ever said Manning didn't know what he was doing, but some of Sanchez' teammates seem to think that about their supposed leader. Sorry, but Sanchez doesn't have the skill set to become an elite QB. He can't read defenses, and until he can do that, he's never going to be more than a low echelon QB.
3 years in Eli's career, he led the Giants to the biggest upset in Super Bowl history and won himself a Super Bowl MVP trophy......topped off with one of the most unbelievable escapes a QB has ever done in a SB and finished off with a great throw and an amazing catch.
They wanted to get rid of him in July. There were plenty of Giants fans who were pissed at his over 20 picks last year, after he had been in the season for about 8 years. Maybe you should stop with your short term memory there buddy. You don't go from 20+ picks and being awful to being elite in 1 season. Heck the team was 7-7 at one point this season and there were games that he pissed away. He went on a run where the team got hot at the right time.
Referencing an anonymous mythological "bunch of giants fans" as a support for your argument. Nobody respectable was going to take you seriously if you thought Eli should be gone.
Nobody was going to take me seriously if I said a bunch of Giants fan supported Eli before he won his first Super Bowl. It goes both ways. It takes an intelligent fan to realize that yes Sanchez was awful this year. It also takes an intelligent fan to look at the whole context of the game. Yes he was awful but he also had a piss poor offensive line and a couple of wide receivers who didn't exactly have their best seasons. Yes he still does throw stupid interceptions and yes he still does make very dumb mistakes. But he has also had games where he lit the world on fire and beat the opponent when he was down. Also, the people who say he doesn't play well under pressure, no quarterback plays well when he is consistently pressured. If that is referring to late in games when his team is losing you would be ignoring the entire 2010 season, where there was 4th quarter comeback after 4th quarter comeback. I am not saying he is going to be a great quarterback because nobody can predict the future. It would be rather silly to give up on the potential that has been flashed of a 25 year old quarterback. He can go either way, he can continue to regress or he can improve again. For all of you Sanchez haters and Sanchez lovers fact of the matter is you cannot prove what will happen in the future. This point is evidenced over and over again case and point Eli Manning. If you ask Giants fans in 2007 if he would have 2 Super Bowls by now I bet you 70% of them would have said no chance.
No one is saying MS is Eli. I think its refreshing to see Eli do what he has done after all the crap he took from people for 3 years in the same city. People see that and realize everyone develops at their own rate. They are seeing Mark can improve much like Eli and every qb in this league has improved. I think an ignorant person is someone who gives up at the first sign of adversity. When Mark Sanchez starts to be the QB everyone doesn't think he is he will prove he isn't as weak as people like you.
I don't live in New York so I am not informed as you are. Perhaps you are right. but I will say that when I watched Hard Knocks...... my impression of Mark Sanchez was not good. He treats the Jets facilities like a high school campus, and doesn't take his job seriously enough. Most of this blame goes on Schotty for being Mark's "friend" instead of his teacher/authority figure to mold him correctly.... Yes, he's just a young kid, that's normal behavior, etc etc.... but when you see the kid, he has way too much freedom and slacks of too much. Eli Manning is lucky his brother is Peyton, because you can be sure Peyton Manning is part of the reason Eli has 2 Super Bowls. Peyton LIVES in the film room and works his butt off, and I'm sure he has spent almost all his time helping break down film and pointing things out to his little brother. Mark better start doing that for himself. It takes a lot of hard work to be a great QB in this league......and I just don't see Mark taking it seriously. He has below average to average skills in many areas... reading defenses, decision making, checkdowns, when to move up in the pocket correctly to buy extra time and when not to...... again, this is from what little I have seen of Mark Sanchez. These are things he should have already improved by now.
If your perception of Mark is that he doesn't work because he pulled a couple of pranks on Schotty and because Hard Knocks didn't emphasize that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Who the hell wants to watch a show about a player watching film? Take you for example with whatever you do in your life (we'll use gay porn for example as it is an expertise of all gay shark fans). In your life as a gay pornstar do you spend all the time in the world preparing to felate other men and lubing your ass? I don't think so. You spend time in your life with your family and friends and spend the amount of time necessary to work. Ask 95% of the Jets locker room and they say that Sanchez is the first man in and last man out. I do think Schotty and Mark being friends did not help Mark's development though and I think having Sparano as the new offensive coordinator will help give Mark a nice kick in the ass. When given time in the pocket Mark is very elusive. I have seen him escape a number of sacks, but no quarterback is good at escaping a straight bull rush (thanks Wayne Hunter). There are plenty of times when he makes ridiculous throws but maybe he wasn't being taught how to properly read the defense. And if anything he checks down too fucking much. His big problem areas are throwing behind receivers and making dumb defensive reads. I would think the first is largely mechanical and the second could be a flaw in how he studies or maybe hes just dumb. Don't want to give up would love to see if he can work well with the new OC.
you can keep the name calling out of this. I will say you have no clue what you are talking about. There were as many ignorant Giants fans ready to give up on a 3rd year QB as their are now ignorant Jets fans. I have never once compared the two Qbs as they are very different Qbs but their situations after3 years in the league were very similar. You can revise history all you want but the fact remains he did consistently miss open receivers, fail to recognize blitzes and his leadership skills were indeed questioned. Sanchez does have the skill set to become an elite Qb, whether he does or doesn't remains to be seen but the story of Sanchez career has yet to be written just as it was after 3 years of Elis career.
Didn't you know Rextasy, Catt Country is the greatest offensive mind in the history of football and in fact he is the son of God. He knows with 100% certainty that Sanchez is terrible.
What skill set are you talking about? Hes not tall, has a slow release, average arm, cant read defenses, and is VERY inaccurate. Take off your homer glasses for a second. Did you even watch one game this year or did you coincidentally only watch him for 4 games in the playoffs? The guy cant even crack higher than 23 in QBR after 3 years. 1 of which he had some good wideouts with Holmes and Edwards. Anyone comparing Sanchez to Eli is a flat out moron and that is there only argument they can think of.
Are you really that retarded that you can't see that no one is comparing the two QBs but are comparing their situations which is absolutely comparable? Yes I have watched every one his his games twice and what I have seen is an inconsistent QB that has won a bunch of games in his young career and has regressed in his last. The last of which was part of a total team collapse with two WRs who gave up on the season and an OL that had more holes then swiss cheese.
The GM that drafted Eli went all in on him and built the team around him. There was never a question about his talent level. He was the clear No. 1 choice in a year with a great QB class. Sanchez was never considered by anyone a can't miss pro prospect.
Mark Sanchez put up 17 points in both championship games in 4 quarters. Should have put up 23 against the Colts but we missed 2 FGs. Eli only put up 20 against the 49ers, 10 of which were handed to him What im saying is Sanchez could replace Eli and do just as good. It was never Sanchezs fault that we lost, if Eli was on the Jets the last 3 years he wouldnt have a Super Bowl to show for. Elis team has carried team despite being bad in the regular season they have been SUPERB in the postseason for him.
this......and may i add here that the veteran jet fans have had to deal with the likes of marino, kelly, and brady - all afc east rivals who have made a living out of the soj theme. now we have manning - on the other side of the fence, our neighbor, who now has to be included with the above qb's, to add another qb to that list is of course a slap in the face. why cant the jets get a guy like that - hey football gods its our turn. well the anticipation that sanchez would be the jets turn at QB stardom blossomed during the AFC championship game "runs" but has since come back down to earth. the microscope is as focused as ever and who knows what the outcome brings. but the other 21 guys on the field have to improve for the jets to even hope of reaching a title game - no matter how MS does. go ask marino about that.
i do not think MS can "replace" EM - IMO manning is a better pure QB. forget the point comparisons and stats. there are so many moving parts in play around a QB that need to mature simultaneously - and EM has benefitted from that in the last few years - just like MS did in 2009 and 2010. but the difference is that eli and the giants were able to take it all the way. and ultimately thats on the QB
my problem with this is that for two years we have heard that the 3rd year is the important one for a qb, but now it is suddenly year 4 or possibly year 5.
