Jones forced Walls to the outside, hemmed him in against the line, and knew the ball was coming to his inside. I didn't see any crazy catch. You are too forgiving on Walls because you feel the need to have your previously expressed "confidence" in him not be shown to be misplaced. I knew you would defend him with bullshit no matter how badly he played.
That was a great play by Jones give him credit. Watch the play again. Walls had his hand on the ball and it was excellent coverage. Even so you didn't hear Walls name not once prior to that play. James Jones was very quiet that game prior to that TD. Quit your nitpicking it's petty.
I think the secondary held there own against the Raiders. The circus catch against Walls was an amazing play, I don't feel Walls had a bad play so much as Jones made a great one. Still, the true test will come this weekend, we will know a whole lot more after our game against the packers. I found it interesting the Raiders tried to beat Allen in the screen game. I guess they were trying to take advantage of the tradeoffs in a former safety playing cb (lack of agility/quickness to respond to a screen). In any case he responded as good as I can ask for. So far the Rex experiment has worked. If Milliner can come back this week I will be excited to see our defense match up against the packers.
They were able to play well against this Raider team. The Jury is still out on this secondary overall though. I am glad Milliner is coming back soon they will need him. One thing I will say is that Allen is a great tackler probably because he's a safety not a CB. Walls is a pretty good tackler as well. Both are certainly better at that than Cromartie who was both soft and terrible at taking angles to the ball carrier. Corners that can tackle can make a big difference out there. Less YAC and the ability to cut down the running game is not something to take lightly. If Allen wants to give up the little 3 yard dump and then take the guy down instantly I am fine with that. Rodgers will do something that the Raiders didn't though- he will challenge these guys deep. They still are a concern.
I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm, since it was the Raiders and a rookie QB, but I like what I saw. Walls/Allen/Wilson all played very well. Walls did give up a TD, but in todays NFL, thats going to happen. Throwing the ball has become very easy.
Let's see, the Fish scored 30 pts. on a Revis led defensive team. Gary Myers must be very upset. Last year the Bucs were 0 and 7 with him. He is a great player but only one of 11 when he is on the field. That was a terrific catch by Jones yesterday. Cannot fault the defender at all.
He caught the ball with one hand without ever bringing his second hand on the ball...plus managed to get both feet down. That was an unbelievable catch.
The coverage wasn't bad on that play. Walls was stride for stride with the WR and he made a great catch on a contested ball. Sometimes you just have to give the opponent credit for making a great play. BTW, Cromartie blows.
Actually Carr completed a pass to Streater in their last possession of the third quarter on Walls. For the TD it was not excellent coverage. As I think it was Simms noted, Walls was in no position to make the play on the ball thrown to Jones's inside. What made it a tougher catch was the need to stay in bounds and in the end zone, not Walls. Quit your lauding a bench player forced to start due to ineptitude by the FO. Walls should not be starting. But... I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I dont want to spend all day here talking about Walls.
That was a great play by Jones. Too bad we couldn't have signed him in FA instead of the Raiders. He would've been a nice pair to Decker. Great play there. It's unfair to criticize Walls on that.
Your remark about Cromartie is gratuitous in this context. I get that you have a hardon for him, but we shall see how well he plays in Arizona.
So 2 catches and Walls sucks? Did you see how Revis played yesterday? He almost gave up 2 TDs. Guess what with today's rules - you aren't going to stop receivers from catching the football - receivers can be more physical down the field. Watch the GIF - that was excellent coverage, but a great play by Jones, which is what is confirmed BY SIMMS - Walls isn't perfect, but he's sufficient at the #2 CB spot and I believe Walls will keep that spot for the rest of the yr when Allen goes back to SS. When we go 10-6 this season, hopefully you will FINALLY shut the fuck up about Idzik and the FO. This regime is doing a good job. Players that have played well in practice deserve playing time, just because the Jets FO didn't get the players YOU wanted doesn't mean they are inept or they don't have an insurance plan for the depth at CB (which they did, they knew Allen could play CB the ENTIRE time - you didn't know though, they also ran 3 safeties as well). Surely if you could, you would have a love child with Cromartie. Dude is 30 with a bad hip get over yourself.
looks like walls actually batted the ball down...and the receiver was able to haul it in on the rebound. amazing catch.
I think we should wait to see the secondary challenged. Remember a few years ago when the Jets offense dominated the Bills and everyone was talking about how good Sanchez looked and how he seemed like he was going to turn a corner finally. Then they came out and shit the bed after the first offensive series against Pittsburgh when the defense adjusted? Remember that this was a bad Raiders team before proclaiming the secondary to be "better than everyone expected." I think realistically that the secondary is going to end up between being middle of the league to 20s in terms of their final ranking.
The secondary has already proven better than many people were concerned it may look like. Before the preseason I would not have guessed that they would move Antonio Allen outside to corner, but it seems to be working. I have yet to see him in a play that made me slap my forehead or groan, although throwing him in there against AJ Green was bound to look a little ugly at times. I think Walls is what I thought he was. A solid depth guy who can start a few games without losing the whole thing for you. Allen will probably be our starting corner for the season opposite Milliner which I don't have a problem with. His versatility is unique, so I wouldn't be surprised if we move him back into safety vs the Patriots where he would match up against Gronk. He would likely take the place of Landry, which would put Milliner and Walls on the outside, with Wilson playing nickel CB and Pryor the other safety free to crush their numerous slot receivers. A lot of questioning will also subside if Milliner turns out to be as good as advertised, with the ability to follow top WR's around, meaning Allen will have less pressure in coverage. The Packers did an interesting thing this week because they put their #3 WR out on Sherman's side and just didn't throw to him the whole game. If Dee is back and can move with Nelson, I wonder what they will try and do. I don't know if Rex would move Dee to the slot to cover Nelson, in fact I kind of doubt it since that's the only place Wilson seems to thrive. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Packers trying to get Nelson matched up against Wilson in the slot a lot, but if they do I guarantee he'll take a couple big hits from Pryor.
I don't see how you could look at that play as anything but a great catch by Jones. Using it as an example of how Walls is bad, when it was the only catch his guy had that was for more than 3 yards is absurd. A twisting catch in which the guy barely comes down inbounds but the guy who allowed it is bad? That's the bullshit in this thread.
This is false, of course, since you've been banging the Antonio Cromartie drum since he's been let go. You are to Cromartie as Ajitator was to Stephen Hill. Your perception is clearly warped because of the position you've taken here.
Although the secondary played well enough to get the job done yesterday , I am still a bit worried. It seems like a lot of us are banking on milliner to come back from injury and start playing lights out but the fact of the matter is that the jury is still out on him. Not being able to practice for the last month is particularly devistating for a player that needs to make the leap from an unreliable rookie to one of the cornerstones of this defense. If he looks like the player that was benched several times last year once he gets out there then we are still in trouble at CB. Also, will Milliner even be ready to play this week ? Last I heard he was only doing light jogging at practice . Seems like he has a long way to go in only one week...hopefully he was close to ready for this week but they wanted to make sure this injury doesn't linger
Jones forced him to the outside or was walls playing the outside to keep him from getting out of bounds and stopping the clock late in a 2 possesion game? Either way, if that is walls' worst play of the season we will be ok
Geez, the Jets beat Oakland who was playing a rookie Qb, and you're ready to crown Idzik GM of the year. GTFO with your homerism. I am hardly the only person who questions the way the FO handled the CB position here, so STFU.
