Secondary Not As Bad As Most Think

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  1. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    The truth is somewhere in the middle; his coverage was OK.. It was not "excellent" nor was it "trash" as Blocker surmises. Blocker is right in that Jones got inside of him. If Carr throws the ball anywhere near the inside, it's a much easier catch for Jones. Essentially Walls got stacked; that's never a good thing as it's what the CB should be doing to the WR and not have it getting done to him. That said Walls did not get blown by nor did he lose sight of the ball. Despite getting stacked he still had a chance at stripping the ball away.
     
  2. JetLifeLo

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    I knew our secondary wasnt gonna disappoint . AA is all purpose if he can cover graham and gronk then unless he's assigned to somebody super fast, he can guard just about anybody . Thats what he does thats what makes him a special player. Maybe we should have him and Kyle Wilson switch spots in that nickle package and when we have our 3-4 set out there put him back at FS. We can use him in so many ways! Im sure Rex will continue to use him as a LinebackerSafety thing (idk what to call it) too.
     
  3. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Jones got inside (which we all knew), but what is Walls suppose to do at that juncture? If you touch the receiver or interfere too much you will get called for a flag. At the end of the day Walls was in position to make a play. You have to give credit to Jones on that one. It was good coverage, but a better play. That doesn't mean Walls sucks.

    So close to getting him out of bounds too. Great catch.
     
  4. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Inside or outside leverage on the play is really irrelevant with regards to assessing Walls on that play. Often times, the leverage you play is dictated by coverage called and it's not the CB's choice. What is important is the bold. Walls allowed Jones to stack him on a sideline route. As a CB you never want that to happen, especially if you are using the bail technique like Walls was. The bail technique is suppose to give the CB the advantage on sideline routes since you are playing with outside leverage. Walls played the ball the entire way which allowed Jones sneak by him and pin him. Ideally, you would want the WR on your back first.
     
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    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    All this inside leverage outside leverage blah blah blah when in reality Jones was just running to the EZ and Walls as just chasing him
     
  6. Jetsfansince95

    Jetsfansince95 Well-Known Member

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    DRC and the G men getting torched lol and we were getting hell for not overspending
     
  7. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    A pass rush covers up a lot of sins
     
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    Playing a rookie and no WR also helps. Calvin ....
     
  9. LongIslandBlitz

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    Cromartie has looked real good so far tonight against Chargers kinda wish we kept him for the price tag.I knew he had some good football left
     
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    So you disagree with BGA and me. Fine. I still don't understand how Jones could have broken to the outside when he was already on the sideline, though. And you again ignore that a TD defeated the object of not letting them stop the clock. Frankly I think you are in love with your technical analysis so much so that you forget Walls was not in position to break up the TD unless, as it was, the pass was short of where it should have gone, and in any event Walls did not break it up. Yes, Jones made a great catch, but imo that was because Carr positioned the throw too close to the sideline, and short by a couple of feet. I am sure he is happy with the result, too, despite that, as I am not.

    Today is a new day, we have both stated our opinions, and I concede I should not have started out saying Walls played like crap. But between his position on a TD pass and a pass interference call when he was not really tested elsewhere during the game, I don't see much reason to think relying on him to be a starting cb is such a great result to the off season. We shall see how he holds up against better competition, and I hope he does.
     
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    I did clarify my overall assessment of Walls yesterday, and the positioning issue was addressed as well. But yes there was a concern about Walls's ability to jump, and that was NOT dispelled on Sunday.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    I did not stay up to watch the game, and so I can't speak from personal knowledge, but thanks for the report. I expect the Chargers to bounce back from this loss quite well, and imo are still on target to become a playoff team. As much as I dislike them. But Arizona is also a tough team.

    As for the Detroit Giants game, DRC had his hands full, but megatron is arguably the best wideout in the game right now, and Stafford we may see elevate his game to elite status. That second Td throw was sick, and one very, very few Qb's in the league can make. We'll see those guys in two weeks, and I am not looking forward to it.
     
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    I truly believe that old hip injury scared them off where they wanted nothing to do with him.
     
  14. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Of course you think that.
     
  15. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Whats your theory than?
    Baselessly blaming it on woody?
     
  16. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    No, I base it on the fact that you are an FO Homer who assumes, believes, that whatever they do and decide was the best decision, as they are always right.
     
  17. jcass10

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    Why do you think the Jets let Cromartie walk? You dont think it had anything to do with the hip injury?
     
  18. 101GangGreen101

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    That and his inability to listen to coaches and better his technique. Being cut was a rude awakening for Cro.

    That book written about the 2011 NYJs goes into detail. An excerpt was posted somewhere in this thread.

    Glad to see he played well yesterday.
     
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  19. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Did i say they were right? No. I said i believe thats what they were thinking. I do like the conservative approach based on where the team is right now. But there really is no right or wrong being that there is no way to tell if he would stay healthy or get injured here, regardless of what plays out in arizona.
    We can speculate but anyone who tries to push those speculations as facts would be a fool
     
  20. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, although in my opinion we should play Allen as the other starting corner for most of the season instead of Walls.
     

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