QFT Why does it always seem like Sanchez and his receivers (besides Holmes and Keller) are complete strangers who have met for the first time at pre game warm ups? What in the hell have you been doing all off season? Whole use of T-bow is so ludicrous it's laughable. What a bad idea it was to trade for him. He is no threat to throw, run or catch the ball. Despite what you think about Greene its abundantly clear the O-line is no longer dominate like it was a few years ago. Greene was met above the pile in the back field. When the Fins had a similar situation at the goal line their O-line pushed us back a few yards and opened up wholes. I think its pretty clear that Rex "ground and pound" are empty words. Only way were getting into the end zone is by imaginative play calling not power it up the middle or try to get around the corner. To bad our passing and route running are so bad. Wasn't a fluke we didn't score TDs in the preseason.
not only what others said eloquently but now the biggest problem sanchez has: ur "head coach" is a glorified D coordinator, knows nothing about offfense, cares nothing about offense and has drafted d over o since day one he is like his brother and both like their old man: loud mouths, like d, hitting people, talking and starting shit and pitting the o against the d...they dont see "team" they see one unit of "men" and the other "pansies" thats it in a nutshell
Unfortunately, your athletic ability is not irrelevant to your ability to succeed as an NFL quarterback. Furthermore, judging McElroy based off three quarters against scrubs in the preseason is ridiculous. By that method, Brett Ratliff is still on track to be a superstar. Finally, I hate seeing the comparison between Tebow and McElroy. McElroy was a conservative game manager in college. Tebow was arguably the best player in the history of college football. The only thing that the two QBs have in common is that neither has a good enough arm to make all of the throws required for success in the NFL.
But we have seen enough of Tebow to know he does not have the tools to be a successful NFL Qb. Best player in the history of college football??? Get out of here with that crap. And it is crap if that "insight" is supposed to outweigh what we KNOW about him now. McElroy should be given a shot at some point. That's all I am saying.
Okay, I give up... trying to convince anyone in this crowd to not judge QB potential based on other people's opinions is a waste of time. Let me remind you of a QB taken in the 6th round who had a mediocre scouting report. One scout wrote about Brady prior to the draft in a scouting report that Tom had "Poor build, very skinny and narrow, lacks mobility and the ability to avoid the rush, lacks a really strong arm." http://youtu.be/U2YYrGrYynw http://youtu.be/XhJlfFJNZ68 My point being, that scouting reports can be wrong and combines do not show everything needed to win at the NFL level. Let the man play against and with other than, how did you phrase it, "scrubs"...
Thanks for reminding about this bs "scrubs" argument. I can see the argument if your third string Qb is playing the team's first stringers against the other team's bench and likely camp cuts. But when you are playing your own secnd and third stringers against the other team's players of roughly equal quality, the scrubs argument is worthless.
Perhaps it is being pissed about the Revis injury, but I feel like I have held off from this point long enough. Ftr I am not saying the Jet O is incapable of playing better, but as it stands right now... Go back to the sequence before that play first. On paper you have no reason not to try your #1 RB on first down from the one. But who here was confident they would score there? The fact is Howard is only a marginal improvement over Hunter, albeit most of that is in run blocking. But Greene has shown almost nothing so far this year. Then on second down, wtf was that call??? The Tebow plays have produced nothing so far other than one on special teams. This was not a special teams play, and Miami's D saw Tebow come in, put in their personnel, dug in and dropped him for a five yard loss. I mean really, wtf? Why are they running a play like that on second and goal? What made them think that Tebow would face no tackler on that play? Can't he see the defenders, and audible out of hte play? But of course the play call itself blew chunks. I am sure the Schotty Haters loved it, though. Now we come to third down, and the play is a Hail Mary in the corner??? All this excuse making about Cumberland's route - how great a playcall was it his man sniffed it out, and Sanchez did not have the time or vision to see what was happening? Of course arguably Sanchez should have seen it was too risky based on where the dbs' were. But he threw it anyway. And after first and goal the Jets come up with nothing. Bad playcalling, bad running, another worthless play with Tebow, another case where Sanchez can't read the pass defense, and another textbook case of offensive ineptitude. This is the O we were waiting to see after the pre-season was over?
The second interception was not a play the QB makes a read on. The ball is snapped and put up for the receiver to make a play on. Hill was in position too. That's the wrong play to be attacking Sanchez over. He had plenty that were actually bad, and that wasn't one of them.
Out of the starting QBs in the NFL, only Brady, Romo, Fitzpatrick, and Cassel were picked after the 3rd round. And in case you haven't noticed, Fitzpatrick and Cassel are awful. Teams spend millions of dollars scouting for a reason, and Greg McElroy fell to the very back end of the draft for a reason. Hoping that he'll become a star just because Tom Brady once thrived after being picked late is foolish (and also ignores the fact that Brady was a much better college QB than McElroy was, fwiw.)
It's Mark. It's always been Mark. It always will be Mark. He's a game manager, not a Quarterback. He's middle of the line average. The sooner everyone excepts that the better everyone can be.
Yes because giving up when not experiencing love at first sight is a sure path to being competitive year in and year out.
Obviously you missed the point... I was trying to point out that scouting can be wrong. No matter how many millions of dollars is spent on it. I'm just saying that since the Jets drafted McElroy, at least give him the chance to prove himself, scouting be damned. Also, I'm not sure I agree with you that Fitzpatrick is "awful"... As for Brady being a much better college QB than McElroy was... BRADY Year GP Comp Att % Yds TD INT TD% INT% Y/G Y/A RATING 1996 12 3 5 60.0 26 0 1 0.0 20.0 2.2 5.2 63.7 1997 4 12 15 80.0 103 0 0 0.0 0.0 25.8 6.9 137.7 1998 13 214 350 61.1 2636 15 12 4.3 3.4 202.8 7.5 131.7 1999 12 214 341 62.8 2586 20 6 5.9 1.8 215.5 7.6 142.3 McELROY Year GP Comp Att % Yds TD INT TD% INT% Y/G Y/A RATING 2007 2 8 9 88.9 73 1 0 11.1 0.0 36.5 8.1 193.7 2008 6 8 11 77.2 123 1 1 9.1 9.1 20.5 11.2 178.5 2009 14 198 325 60.9 2508 17 4 5.2 1.2 179.1 7.7 140.5 2010 13 222 313 70.9 2987 20 5 6.4 1.6 229.8 9.5 169.0 And McElroy won the National Championship in 2010... When did Brady win his with Michigan? But, the stats are irrelevent at this level... give the man a chance to play before dismissing him!
Not sure what College =/= NFL means, but if you are trying to say they are not equal... Read what I wrote and what I was responding to. I was responding to "Brady was a much better QB in college then McElroy". I also stated that the stats are irrelevent at this level. "Gets a chance to prove himself in practice every day." Seriously? We all know that Tanny and Rex have too much invested in Sanchez to give anyone else an equal chance "in practice"... Sanchez is there man and he will have to be carted off the field, along with Tebow, before McElroy gets a real "chance".
Meh. I am not going to say the playcall was gret on that, because it sucked. But you seem so certain that the Qb cannot read where the defenders are before releasing it? Sounds like another Sanchez excuse to me.
Sorry, dude, but this post does not reflect the real world. Ryan and Tanny are totally invested in the Sanchez pick and in his performance ever since. Please.
Had the DB who intercepted it trailed Cumberland that would've been a touchdown (or a drop that we would've all been flipping out about instead). Cumberland didn't break before the DB had a chance to see what was happening and react accordingly. Sorry, but in this case I believe the design was good and the execution was poor.
IMO the Sanchez hate is akin to politics. Everyone focuses on the President. Only the conspiracy theory nerds talk about Congress. Yet Congress is where a lot of shit happens. Sanchez hasn't been good by any stretch so far this season. From an organizational perspective though, he isn't costing the Jets the game, and the problems don't revolve around him. He's part of the problem, he's not the problem. The whole team has problems and right now that's on Rex to get corrected. Long term you don't succeed by giving up on every player who struggles. So many want to bail on him yet he's still a kid. Living in the moment won't win jack shit. Doing the hard thing and seeing Sanchez through his development will pay greater dividends then moving on to the next great newspaper spectacle that comes along. If you consider the Jets a team who has no shot this year then why wouldn't you want the Jets to use the year bringing Sanchez along? Mark is capable of being awful at times but he's also capable of being extremely clutch and making some big throws which help win games. He's a work in progress. It's not fun to watch but it's the best path to the Super Bowl.
