He was good last year when all his tricks were new. It is obvious that he tendencies are now well known. The problem is that he has done nothing to change this.
You can win with a average OC, you can win with a average QB (Dilfer etc.), you can win with a average RB(steelers and Broncos), but you cant win with a poor Offensive line...
You can complain about the lack of talent all you want. Having talent and making good play calls are mutually exclusive. If he had good play calling with poor talent, there would be no issue. Having better talent is not going change his ability to utilize it. If he utilized poor talent poorly, what makes you think he is going to utilize good talent well?
You cant call amazing plays without the talent to make those plays work. That just makes absolutely no sense to me. You have to call plays around an offensive unit that is simplified in terms of talent. Which leads to lack luster plays, and resulting to sad trick plays on top of everything else. When you feel you have to result to tricks, just to get one up on your opponent, your offense is bad. Schotty knew his unit was bad, we knew the offense was bad, and so did every defense we played. You can only do things with what you are given, and he was given shit last season. I mean.. How do you honestly use poor talent effectively? I want to hear how you would proceed with such a task? Throw in PA every other play? How can you make those calls when your O-line is getting blown off the line every single down? They couldn't give KC or CP a second to react without PA, let alone with. You cant get creative on offense, if you dont have the unit to manage that type of scenario. The first season our offense was a lot better, especially in terms of O-line performance, and look at the results we had. Then you look at last season's line, which was one of the worst I have seen in awhile, and look at the results from that. How does it not prevent you from calling difficult - technical plays? I think the plays he called last season, were the only plays he could've called for that offense. It has everythng to do with his simplified calls, absolutely everything. When your offense is bad, especially in the trench, you cant expect him to be drawing up difficult plays for this offense. They wont work if your O-line doesn't maintain their blocks long enough to execute those play calls. How could they?
They'd still have to rebuild the O-line, find a QB (Clemens or a new prospect or who knows), get a big WR, get another reciever to replace Coles, find a RB to replace the 30 year old Jones... Thats what I'm talking about...from what I've read and gathered about Schott...I really like his offensive philosophy. And he's young enough to be more open minded to adjusting to the tune of todays game...hence the excitement for him last year and the HC talk in both years of his career. The fact that we were 18th in scoring in his first year as a coordinator, using a QB with two career threatening surgeries, ad-libbing a running game with a rookie and like 5 other guys, and only one proven WR (at the time) said alot about Schott to me. We've used every trick in the book on offense (and defense) to try to out think teams that we clearly could not match up toe to toe with (Steelers, Pats, Baltimore, Giants, whoever). I have no idea why that goes unnoticed and unappreciated by fans who actually think this franchsie is going nowhere. It's little things like that that actually tell us we have a future, yet some people choose to shove that shit to the side because if we had a future we'd be getting W's NOW. I don't get it...this coaching staff has adapted to the crap talent level of this franchise and has had us playing teams we had no real right competing against...and almost beating them (hell, we beat a couple of them). Not only that, but while they've done what they can with what they have they've raised the talent level of this franchise immensely. About the only guy I do want to get rid of on the coaching staff is Sutton, and I'm not even sure I care *that* much. It would be nice to have a Rob or Rex on the coaching staff, but right now it doesn't look like we're getting either.
Of course I agree that we need upgrades, although I think TJ can last a couple more years. As for BS, what exactly has he adapted? His biggest adaptation is the QB and he has been horrible with CP. I can count on one hand the number of 30+ yards passes he threw. That is just totally unacceptable. All of the predictable outs they threw that eveyone knew were coming and were even easier to jump bc CP has a weak arm. Where were the quick slants, where was Leon running arouond the corner, where were screens to get Leon and Brad Smith in space, where was the play action, where were the timing patterns that CP excels at or the quick slants? BS's outs are about as predictible as Hacketts 3rd and draws. BS is bad. Just bad.
Talking to walls are fun.. I cant see the offense being the same next season. Not even remotely. If it is, obviously change needs to be there.
Well said. Get some legit talent here first and see if he can do anything once the QB has time to throw and the RBs have holes to run through. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for this past season. Now if we improve the overall talent level of the O and then see no real improvement, I'll be on the anti-Schotty train. Until than though I'm not really sure there's too much he could have done with the overall abysmal talent level on O.
I really can't believe that this was all the OC's fault. I think some of the biggest problems stemmed off of Pete Kendall. You have to give Kendall his due. We promised him money, strung him along ,kept him in camp while disgruntled and then traded him. First game of the season is against the patriots, where they rocked Pennington. Then we lose a nail biter in balitmore with bacup clemmons. We spend the next five weeks rotating guards trying to find one who can consistantly start, meanwhile, we can't get a running game going, hence no play action, no QB protection, how can the OC fix something like that when the season's over by week 6?
Nobody is blaming the OC for the poor talent. We all know the talent was a problem. But he was an additional part of the problem. Getting him better talent is just going to make him a bad OC with better talent.
Nobody here was questioning Schottenheimer's skill level when the Jets finished 10-6 in his first year as OC. I believe as many here do that our OL was a big problem resulting in a poor running game and a mediocre passing game. I was a big Hackett hater with his play calls. I'm willing to give Schottenheimer another season. Also with him staying Clemmens should know the playbook as well as anyone.
I was not questioning him last year either, becasue he took a very fresh novel approach. But his second act did not improve on his first act. It was the same act and since everyone knew what he was up too it was a contributing factor our offensive failures.
give him 1 more year, but if I see a 4 yard throw to the side, I will jump though my TV and kill them.
1. Upgrading the actual PLAYING talent would probably help Schott look good. It's tough to look good when your best WR is hurt half the season, your OL sucks, the QB is making his first few starts, and the OL seriously sucks. 2. Horrible with CP? Pennington won CBPOY last year...terrible? 3. WTF does 30+ yard passes have to do with anything? Can Pennington MAKE 30+ yard throws? Are our WRs good enough deep threats for many 30+ yard throws? Does the OL protect well enough for bombs? 4. So Chad's bad arm...and the rest of the offenses bad everythings...makes Schott a bad coach? I see the logic. It makes sense. 5. Um...we threw a ton of screens with both Leon and Smith...as well as direct snaps...flea flickers...Smith as a QB...Leon as a QB....again....WTF are you talking about? 6. With such a convincing argument, how can I not buy that conclusion.
Well the play clock going down to 1 Happened under Hackett as well. This was a franchise philosophy to keep our shaky/overworked defense off the field and try to play "ball control". The problem was, we didnt have the running attack or the short passing attack to make it effective in winning football games OR giving our D any extended amount of rest.
How many OC's do you think bring something completely new and fresh each and every week? That is a bit much to expect if you ask me. They have a pretty large playbook and depending on the team and defense they are matched against they are going to call certain plays from it that they think will match up well, or that the offense can perform well. What it comes down to is execution. OC is going to look pretty shitty if the talent on the field fails to execute the majority of the time. You can pick any of the plays in the book.. if the line can't block, just how genius is the guy going to look? The reason he was decent in year one is because they executed more than they failed. I don't think Schotty is some offensive genius, but calling for his head after having a team as bad as this one is a little knee jerkish. You want someone gone? Look at Sutton. That defense actually added excellent pieces to it and still regressed. Then after the bye they suddenly didn't suck as bad. Coaching. :drunk:
Shotty one more year Trying to play call for an Offense that has a horrendous O-line is like trying to fly a plane with one wing. Add to the fact that we had a newbie QB and hurt WR's, I think you need to give the guy a break. That being said, I was a little shocked at some of his play calling, but he was obviously desperate at times. I say give him one more year with a rebuilt O-line and see what he does, he had a good first year and that deserves one more shot. Now Sutton on the other hand, boot his ass now!
I'm willing to forgive the bad year in light of an inadequate OL, but he only gets one mulligan. No more excuses. Fix it or move on.
I think everyone agrees that the O-line was atrocious this year, so why when we got into the redzone we ran the ball on 1st down for no gain, ran the ball on second down for no gain, then put the QB in a one shot of throwing for a TD. With Clemens completion percentage of around %50, that isn't very good odds and with Chad only being able to throw the ball 5 yards, if we are outside the 5 yard line then we don't have a shot. If this is not on the OC then I don't know what his job is!
