Sanchez not learning....

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  1. Hemi

    Hemi Well-Known Member

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    I noticed you keep referring to the pump fake as if that is an issue. He did use that yesterday, Simms even pointed it out on the strip sack late in the game he used it and it did work, he just ran out of time to throw the ball. Nit picking is rampant here.
     
  2. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    3 games junc, we lost those games right? lets see we are 4-6 take away 3 games and just put 1 INT a game in those 3 games we would be 7-3 wow big diffrence isnt it? Sanchez isnt to blame for losing 3 games single handed then who is?
     
  3. JohnnyJohnson

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    You can blame the D for the two Miami losses. How about shitty tackling? How about shitty play calling? How about shitty clock management?

    You're just festering on the most visible position on the field.
     
  4. Hemi

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    Ok I will bite. One example is the bills game. Horrid game by Sanchez, but there are the Jets driving late, Jones up the middle to the Bills ten yard line, chip shot FG and they win. Wait, there's a flag, holding on Hartsock, Now they are at the thirty yard line instead of the ten. It is the team losing as much as Sanchez. Less picks doesn't mean a win.

    Edit: I forgot to mention, Jones ten yard run came from the 20 yard line.
     
  5. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Read the post, I said out side of those three.

    And again, with Keller and Edwards dropping balls like its part of thier job description, I'm not 100% sold they are gret options when you need a catch on third down. They are more explosive than Jones, but a lot less reliable. I'm not sure what game your watching if your want to put a game winning drive on those two time and time again while leaving a rookie QB hung out to dry with 5 blockers. Its silly.

    On 3rd and 5 is there any reason we should go with an empty set? With 5 passing options, 2 of whom are below NFL caliber? Keep the extra two in to block. Clowney is ok As a deep threat and awful as a posession receiver, Wright has never stepped up to be anything more than a ST guy. Why the hell do you love them so much? Or did you just mis read my post that badly?
     
  6. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    wow what game you watched yesterday bro? the D blew it, if im on defense and my QB threw 4 INTs how deflated would i be? i would still play for my paycheck but its heavy on my mind sanchez cant handle pressure he has to bail out the defense as well sometimes, its not always the defense fault, in the other hand the QB has the ball he has the power to make the offense go or to turn the ball over, defense does not have the ball
     
  7. Mambo9

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    I agree 100% with yo, the problem is Rex has the same attitude as Schotty...

    Yeah here we come! Let's kick some asses, let's throw strikes, we are the best, yadda yadda...

    He needs to take Schotty by the balls and explain to him he either treats the rook like a rook or he can get the F out of here... too bad I don't think he will.

    He'll say the kid has a lot of talent, he JUST needs experience (he does need it but not only that), that he works hard (good but hard work needs time to pay off) and that he has faith in him (I do too but you can't overlook the mistakes he is making, you need to correct them).
     
  8. Hemi

    Hemi Well-Known Member

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    Is this an epidemic? He was not talking about the NE game but LAST WEEK against Jacksonville.

    And if you remember, Sanchez drove the Jets down for the lead late, only to have the Jags march right down the field to win it on the last drive. Not unlike the first Miami game.
     
  9. JohnnyJohnson

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    OK so the Jets being down by 24 at the half does nothing to change the game plan?
     
  10. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    I agree I hate the empty back field on third and shorts even in passing situations. One of the reasons we do is Jones is not a pass catching option out of the backfield which is hugely limiting in giving Sanchez a good safety valve option. If Leon was still on the team you would see that option much more. This is the reason Jones isn't in the game on third and 5 he doesn't provide anything other than an extra blocker.


    It would be nice if we had a full back who could catch the ball and block for those third downs. This is why a guy like Kevin Faulk is every bit as good as Thomas Jones.
     
  11. 28rogerblaze51

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    last time i checked the jets played a patriots offense not a lions offense, its the pats bro, welker had a big game, hes been an impact on every game he has played, what team can shut down moss and welker? none, they have chemistry like woah, its hard to defend that any defense thats why im not hating on the D, sanchez is a rookie ok fine, but everythinh he has to learn to be better right now he is not doing, he is not going to know defenses maybe next year ror that, he is not going to know the playbook next year for that but look of the safeties would help minimize the INTs.
     
  12. Talisman

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    Great artical posted last night on Fan House, which sums up EXACTLY what the problem is with Sanchez, namely the incompetent coaching staff that continues to treat Sanchez like a 10-year all-pro instead of the 22 yr old rookie he is.

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/11/22/no-tears-just-dismal-truth-for-jets/

    Choice Excerpt:

     
  13. Big Blocker

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    It's better to look at the number yourself. junc said on the other Sanchez thread that he threw 13 ints in only 3 games. Incorrect.
     
  14. Section 227. Row 5

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    BINGO! "You can't overlook the mistakes he is making, you need to correct them."

    Emotions are running high this morning. I don't blame people on the board today for making excuses for Sanchez, for protecting him, for blaming Schotty, Rex and others this morning... I really don't. He's 23 years old. I was an asshole at 23. So none of us should have had higher expectations than what we're seeing now.

    But Sanchez still continues to not protect the ball. This is an on-going, weekly problem now. Every week he says that he needs to make better decisions and we can't turn the ball over and win, yet it keeps happening, culminating in 5 times yesterday.

    The other day, someone compared what Bill Parcells would be doing if he were head coach here today. He wasn't afraid to call anybody out... Phil Sims included. Bill Parcells would have gotten Sanchez off to the side and, in no uncertain terms, read him the riot act: YOU CANNOT KEEP ON TURNING THE FUCKING BALL OVER, PERIOD! Maybe that's what this kid needs. Enough is enough already... the defense is totally demoralized.
     
  15. JohnnyJohnson

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    He threw 13 INTs in 3 games.
     
  16. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    One of the problems we see here is this attitude that benching Sanchez somehow will ruin him. It seems the CS believes that as well.

    Maybe he should fear getting benched. It's not like you have a right to start the next game after you shat the bed. Where does that idea come from?!?

    And it's not like it's just one game, either, quite obviously.
     
  17. JohnnyJohnson

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    Fear? Fear isn't the factor here. Benching him serves no purpose at all. So like yeah lets throw KC in now because he can save our already lost season. That's brilliant. The kid is doing everything he can do, which in 4 games wasn't enough.


    Does anyone care about tackling anymore?
     
  18. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    the defense is not going to be able to stop every drive, sanchez is not always going to be able to throw a TD, all im saying is playing good is contagious, playing bad is also contagious, motivation, deflation, all play part in football as we all know, playing against teams with chemistry on offense is harder to defend, the loss of jenkins is huge in the fact he was a chemistry disrupter, now i know he is one guy and we cant crumble because its 11 on defense, but damn thats 1 huge guy, he helped cause sacks, INTs, etc. colts take out freeney and is that defensde scary? no they would double mathis. patriots take out wilfork, would it be easier to defend that line yes. NT is the most important part of a defense just like a RT is to a offensive line, if a QB knows he has a shitty RT the QB would be nervous vs focused.
     
  19. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    i read that article, they point out schotty not treating sanchez right with the play calling, but when i rewind with my DVR after a drive or a INT i notice SOMEONE was open, sanchez made a bad read or hes not looking at all recievers because of happy feet, he has to trust his line and look at all recievers, find open guy what he is doing is just looking at the WR for which the play is designed for, if your going to do that then look off the safeties then throw it.
     
  20. Section 227. Row 5

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    Tackling and other issues should be an aside for now since this is a Sanchez thread. I know we have those other issues.

    And I'm not advocating benching Sanchez. The problem is, Ryan is sending a message that he won't bench him. Just this morning I read in the Star-Ledger that Ryan said "he won't get more experience sitting on the bench," (I'm paraphrasing), meaning, it's not an option.

    I'm just saying that maybe Sanchez shouldn't know that. Maybe Sanchez needs a good old-fashioned, Parcells-type ass-chewing about now. Probably the best thing that could happen to his career about now. Don't bench him, but don't continue giving him passes on 5 fucking turnovers either. Parcells would never have pussy-footed around with this. It's all about the team, not protecting Sanchez' delicate psyche.
     

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