Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    its not even an argument on whether sanchez is good or bad. its is he the worst fucking piece of shit qb you have ever seen or does he just suck a little.


    there are only about 3 people who are actually crazed enough to say he is anywhere near even decent.
     
  2. Don

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    I said weeks ago he was the worst long term starting QB I have ever seen in the NFL and nothing has changed my mind since. The mind boggling part of it is that Tannenbaum gave him and Holmes raises this past off season and he still has a job. Or to put it another way he has wasted almost 100 million dollars on Sanchez and Gholsten and still has a job.
     
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    Wow, Raortega just got owned....
     
  4. Frenbar

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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but your blind defense of Sanchez seriously raises issues about your mental health.

    Seriously, is there ANYTHING that Sanchez could do to convince you that he wasn't a good qb? Is there any possible scenario you could imagine, where afterward you would question is feasibility as an NFL qb? If you cannot come up with such scenarios (let alone admit to yourself they have come to fruition), you should seriously think about giving up on football and becoming a fan of something that doesn't require mental discrimination - like rainbows. If you say, "that rainbow is great", nobody is going to challenge you and say, "well, that's a bottom 5 rainbow". They will just agree with you (even if the rainbow is really crappy, like Sanchez).
     
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  5. Mambo9

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    Sanchez has the lowest completion percentag in the league

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...null&d-447263-s=PASSING_COMPLETION_PERCENTAGE


    52.9%... second to last is Weeden at 55.1%

    Is it the O we run? Is it our WR/TE/RBs hands? Is it Sanchez's accuracy and ball placement? Something else?


    Imo there have been TONS of drops this year. S. Hill and Greene are the first that come to mind, but other guys have dropped the bal a ton too (remember when we had no TE?).

    Our O isn't exactly high completion either... although Sanchez does dump it off a bit more this year (that's why this stat is particularly worrysome).

    But I think this says A LOT about how Sanchez throws the ball... his location is almost always off! How often does he underthrow players, throw on the wrong shoulder, throw too early etc. and his technique hasn't been fixed at all (feet-wise).
    THIS IS ON MATT FUCKING CAVANAUGH... the man who preferred Tyler Palko to Joe Flacco at Pitt and who was a 52.7% passing pctg in his playing career.


    Opinions on why his completion pctg sucks so much?
     
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  6. feldspar

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    Sanchez is 33rd in the league in completion percentage. There are only 32 teams.

    There is nothing to read into here except that Sanchez is not an accurate passer. That's why his completion percentage sucks. He's NEVER finished higher than 28th in that category. Again, there are only 32 teams. This is year 4 of his career, so there is a large enough sample.
     
  7. Bellows1

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    Despite what some here may say, he's just not very good.

    If you put him on a pro-bowl team, he may look good, but on an average team...
     
  8. Br4d

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    The Jets changed his throwing motion to a bit further over the top his first season. I think probably the difference between his small sample in college, which was fairly accurate, and his large sample in the pros, which is not, starts there.

    It doesn't end there though. He's really not a particularly accurate QB. He has timing issues on slants which result in the ball thrown behind the receiver too often. He has issues with vertical placement of the ball tending to throw the ball high. He has issues with bat downs at the line which probably have caused him to err on the high side in his throws.

    It doesn't end there though. He hasn't had a great selection of receivers to throw too since 2010. The receivers he has had have mostly been flawed in some way (too old, too young, too slow, bad hands, too small, etc.) Those receivers have been changed in and out almost at random on him, like the Jets think just finding the right receivers is going to make the other issues go away.

    It takes a village to raise a QB. It takes one to ruin him also.
     
  9. Jake

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    He is not very accurate. Struggles to lead the receiver on intermediate throws. Fuckton of drops don't help but every QB deals with that.
     
  10. Br4d

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    Sometimes we forget that making a short pass completion on a timing route like clockwork isn't something that everybody or every NFL QB can do. Sanchez is not one of the guys that can do that. He has like another 15 guys starting in the league alongside him who can't do it either but he's among the worst offenders.

    When he gets to the point that he's making the throw well 95% of the time and the receivers are then dropping it and botching things up then we can start looking at external reasons for his inaccuracy on what is a gimme pass for a great QB. Until then there's no point at going past the basic fact that he cannot make the throw reliably.
     
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    Sanchez is just not an accurate passer; he never has been, and he never will be. Even when he's in rhythm and playing really well, the Jets can't trust him to fit the ball into tight windows.

    A good QB can mitigate erratic accuracy by reading the field well and making smart throws; so far Sanchez hasn't been able to do that consistently.
     
  12. Br4d

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    Name a good QB of the last decade who had accuracy problems? I really don't think they exist any more. The NFL has become a league where completing a high percentage of passes is mandatory.

    The reason Eli Manning is not an elite QB is that he is too inaccurate. He's good but he's the floor for where QB's can be right now in terms of accuracy. That's one of the reasons the Giants are not a great team, just a lucky one.
     
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    Manning is the perfect example of a good QB with accuracy problems. Obviously it's not a good thing, but if you are able to consistently identify the best matchup you can mitigate the problem to some degree.

    Eli does that, Sanchez does not. That's the primary reason that the Giants are consistently good on offense, and the Jets are consistently shitty.
     
  14. fansince90

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    do you remember what pete carrol said when the jets drafted him?
     
  15. Br4d

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    Eli hasn't completed less than 60% of his passes in a season since 2008. That's the floor for accuracy at this point. A few really good QB's have had seasons where they dipped below 60% but no good QB's live there any more. This is not Dan Marino's NFL any more, let alone Terry Bradshaw's.
     
  16. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    the funny thing is that everyone wanted to throw downfield more and blamed schotty for it for years.

    now what would his percentage look like if we threw downfield? holy crap. although he cant do any worse than he does throwing it under 5 yards.
     
  17. Br4d

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    The Jets short passing designs sucked the entire time that Schotty was OC. Even Chad had issues with the design of the offense, which is why one of the most accurate passers in NFL history was run out of town in less than two seasons under Schotty.

    Think about it.
     
  18. Demosthenes9

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    It's the difference between using the eye test and stats to make a determination, . Eli isn't great at putting the ball in tight windows the same way Aaron Rodgers does.

    But, what he does do is put the ball where his receivers can catch it, based on understanding match ups and coverage. This leads to a fairly high completion %.

    Same with Peyton Manning. If you really watch, you'd be surprised at how many wobbly ducks he throws, or how less than perfect his passes are quite a bit of the time. BUT, the passes are generally away from defenders, in places where his receivers can make a play on them.
     
  19. alleycat9

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    that was a terrible post on my part, it was half sarcasm, half serious and just not a good post in explanation or content as i was all over the place and never really made a sensible point of any of the three things i was talking about in my head...
     
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    If jets and Mark can correct this 1 issue he will be all right.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/17509/seeing-red-inside-the-20

    SEATTLE -- A year ago, the Jets were the most efficient red-zone team in the NFL. This year, not so much.

    QB Mark Sanchez, in particular, has slipped. He has a league-low 50.0 passer rating inside the opponents’ 20, including three interceptions, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That equals his interception total from last season. Check it out:

    In 2011, Sanchez was 45-for-82 (54.9 percent), with 21 TDs and three interceptions -- a 92.0 passer rating. This season, he's 13-for-32 (40.6 percent), with eight TDs and three interceptions.

    Sanchez's three turnovers (plus a fumble just outside the red zone) were momentum-changing plays because, in three cases, the opponent capitalized with a score. There’s nothing more deflating than blowing a scoring opportunity and having to watch it go the other way.

    A breakdown of the turnovers:

    1. At Dolphins, Week 3: Third-and-goal from the 7. Sanchez was intercepted by S Chris Clemons, but it wasn’t entirely his fault. TE Jeff Cumberland ran a bad route, bringing his man -- Clemons -- into the area where the ball was thrown, to WR Stephen Hill.

    2. Texans, Week 4: Second-and-5 from the 12. Sanchez threw a quick slant to WR Jeremy Kerley, but DE J.J. Watt read it perfectly, timed his jump and tipped the ball to CB Brice McCain. He returned it 86 yards to set up a field goal before halftime, killing the Jets’ momentum.

    3. 49ers, Week 5: Third-and-7 from the 25. This doesn’t count as a red-zone turnover because it occurred outside the 20, but Sanchez fumbled on a strip sack by OLB Aldon Smith. It was a mental mistake, as Sanchez tried to run up the middle and didn’t protect the ball properly. The 49ers recovered and rallied for a quick field goal before the half.

    4. Dolphins, Week 8: Second-and-11 from the 15. Any chance of a comeback was erased with this third-quarter interception, a poorly thrown ball to TE Dustin Keller. The ball sailed high and behind Keller, and it was picked off by Clemons. Yeah, him again. What made this sting was, moments earlier, the Jets had recovered a Dolphins fumble. Instead of capitalizing, the Jets handed the momentum back to the Dolphins.

    Sanchez on the red-zone problems:

    "That’s where you have to be sharp and at our best, and we haven’t been this year. I know we’ve done it in the past here. Those turnovers -- a tipped ball here, forcing the ball to Dustin on one, a wrong route on another -- three of those led to interceptions. So those things just have to get cleaned up. Whatever we can do to fix it, we have to try and do it. We’ve identified some of those things, and that’s where our emphasis will be. We just have to keep playing smart and really take care of the ball and don’t hurt ourselves."
     
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