Im not taking anything away from Brady. That would be like knocking Joe Montana for playing for Walsh. Thats not the argument. But remind me again, how great Steve Walsh was, prior to playing for Bill Walsh. Cassel, makes that same example in the NE context. But...greatness, especially in the modern era, has been a marriage of player/system. Neither Manning or Brady, gets that level of Success playing foe Schotty, for instance. Tom Moore, and NE's institutionalization of Weis' offense, and building on it, helped make those players what they are. You could take Brady, right now...stick him in a dome, in Detroit, and with Megatron, and he would be better an Stafford. But he wouldnt be Brady. But...much like Sanchez...we'll see as the season unfolds. My bet is on a very sub par year for TomTerrific.
Only because a moron like you doesnt get the word 'system' What NE does, closely mimics what Geno has been doing. He wouldnt be being asked to rsdically alter the way he has been playing, which is what the Jets are asking him to do.
Very weak. The phins won11 that year.. The jets 9. The division was pretty good. So, schedule notwithstanding, you are then admitting, that Welker and Moss, go a long way to making a QB?
Hobbes STFU and stop trolling. Tom Brady would be a Hall of Famer if I was the Offensive Coordinator. Players win and lose games at a greater percentage than coaches, especially great players like Brady. You hero Weis is in charge of the worst College program in America, hanging on for dear life just to make a living. He hasn't touched the Patriots program in almost a decade. He OWES his career to Tom Brady. They've completely altered everything. They've had different players, coordinators, systems, etc, in Brady's years but always been a dominate team with a dangerous offense -because of one constant - Brady. It's possible, although unlikely, he will slip this year - he has to eventually right? But even if he does it won't prove any of the ridiculous bullshit you are spewing out. It'll just be a rough year for an aging, GREAT QB who made careers for Belichick, Weis, McDaniels, Branch, Welker, Gronkowski, Hernandez, etc. etc. etc. You have to be just fucking with people at this point. You can't really be that stupid. Give it up.
I was going to leave this lame-ass backpedal of a response alone, until I saw the bolded, enlarged part and almost vomited. What the fuck does the offense the Pats run have to do with Charlie Weis? Here, I'll give you the Pats' entire 2003 playbook and you show me the philosophical similarities between what the Pats do today and what they did under Weis: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2945576/2004-New-England-Patriots-Offense-135-pages
You dont know wtf you are talking about. Take Cassels year. 2008. Welker and Kevin Faulk caight almost 170 balls. The slot guy. And the RB. Moss caught less than 70 balls. As I said, thats not taking anything away from the fact that the guy is really good at it, but the scheme is manufactured around short easy throws. The o es trolling are the people denying tue obvious. That is how their offense is built, and they have the right guy running it. Like Pittsburgh. You really think Brady is Brady runni g that offense, where half of its success is predicated on roethlisbergers unique abilites? Get real.
Why do I need to explain not winning the division, not making the playoffs even with a cake schedule on a team that was minutes away from 19-0 a year prior? You just aren't all there man. You just don't know it
But wait, I thought it was the scheme? Of course great WRs help the performance of a great QB. Just look at Rice and Montana. Warner and Holt and Bruce. Manning, Harrison and Garcon. It's never just one or the other. The sole exception is that Brady is the guy that won his rings without great receivers.
There's some absolute sig GOLD within the last few pages... Apparently no one knows what theyre talking about besides Hobbes. We may be witnessing the greatest trolling of all time.
The backpedal is the funniest part. lol @ "not taking anything away from Brady" a page after saying Geno Smith would make him expendable. As if you can plug in any guy and get HOF results. Coaches wish it were that easy.
Loke magle, you are missing the point. NEs entire WR corps, doesnt see 100 catches a year, except welker. If you consoder the backs,te,slot guys as inside players, they catch 300 or more. Im simply pointi g out how their offense funtions. Brady has never been asked to play in a WR centered passing game. Not a knock on the guy, but anyone insosting he does, is denying reality. And this year, all of his inside weapons, are gone, or degraded. Welker has been responsible for well over 100 catches a year. The backs about 60 more. When grok and Hernandez came along 50 more each. You cant find a season, where the guys on the outside were catching 100 balls total. In fact, take a look at 2011 stats for both teams. Sanchez, comp,eted about 50% more balls to players on the outsode, than Brady did. NE runs a small ball, ver efficient offense. Thats not a knock.its a fact. And they excel at it. But pretending it isnt what it is, isretarded.
Brady was not considered great when he won his rings. NE teams were based on defense a strong running game. Brady was a very good game manager. When Brady was asked to carry the team NE has been to two Superbowls and have been very good but have not won a SB.
Once Brady won his second ring, people were already talking HOF. That's always the case. But he went on from 3 rings to continue to produce elite results throughout scheme and personnel changes over the rest of the decade. But Hobbes is right about one thing - scheme matters. Because the minute Charlie Weis left the team, Brady's ability to manage the offense skyrocketed. Aside from the obvious slight edge that the spying gave them, their defense went down the tubes after those early SB runs and has been the main culprit for their inability to win any more Lombardi trophies since then.
2001- Troy Brown, 101 receptions-1st on the team David Patten,51 receptions-2nd on the team 2002- Troy Brown, 97 receptions-1st David Patten, 61 receptions-2nd Deion Branch, 43 receptions-3rd 2003- Deion Branch, 57 receptions-1st Troy Brown, 40 receptions-2nd David Givens, 34 receptions-3rd 2004- David Givens, 56 receptions-1st David Patten, 44 receptions-2nd Deion Branch, 35 receptions-3rd 2005- Deion Branch, 78 receptions-1st David Givens, 59 receptions-2nd Troy Brown, 39 receptions-3rd 2006- Reche Caldwell, 61 receptions-1st Troy Brown, 43 receptions-4th 2007- Randy Moss, 98 receptions-2nd Donte Stallworth, 46 receptions-4th Jabar Gaffney, 36 receptions-6th Wow! Look at all of those talented HOF WRs that he wasn't getting 100 receptions total from! Look at all those years he was never in a WR centered offense! Either I'm not grasping the definitions of certain words like TOTAL or RECEPTIONS or 100, or you are the one who is denying reality. Now backpedal or tell me I'm misunderstanding. Please tell me more about how he has never played in a WR centric offense. Did you start watching football in 2007?
I still can't believe Hobbes said that Geno would make Brady expendable. Fucking retarded...wow. Geno doesn't make SANCHEZ expendable..Godalmighty
Go ahead. But please ise comparatove stats against Welker, the Te,and RB. The Pats do not ask Brady to drive the ball down the field. You would be hard pressed to find a WR not named Moss to average over 13 ypc, and carch more than 60 balls in the last decade. So, Im going to end my discussion, out sode of saying , you're correct if you are....by reiterating the point that started this derailement. They run as close to am Airraid offense as can be found inthe NFL, a good percent of their snaps come out of the Shotgun, they go hurry up frequently, amd they focus on the backs, and slot guy. And work from there. It keeps Brady from getting hit. Makes it tough to defend, because many teams wont put their best corner inside. I hate the Pats, but I love the scheme. Also for all the division, at least Hernandez and welker are gone, becaise it was reported that he was foing to try to integrate Oregons one word playcall. Its a very smart offense.
Matt Cassel, put up 400 yard games in that scheme. That offense is tailor made for Smith, today...because it mirrors what ne did in college. Like Martys does with Mark. They wouldnt have to ask Geno to learn a whole new way of life wasthe point, Brady, welker...Smith,Austin. High percentage, quickace, and dont ask him to drive the ball often. They are two different ways of doing things. At some point, i dont think its doubtful that Geno will make Sanchez expendable. But he is having to learn a whole new way of operating. Its a fIrly simple point.
Do you just say things without researching them and kneel in prayer that nobody fact-checks you? "Dear Sanchez, forgive me for my sins"-sincerely Hobbez
