Sanchez just sucks... just sucks. (all Sanchez complaints here)

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  1. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Approaching 10, 000 posts, I respect your opinion's , those of you who have faith in Sanchez, however I have none anymore, as an oldtimer I don't see the prudence in playing him, the team is obviously rebuilding, why not play the kid...just my opinion...
     
  2. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    :rofl2: ...........


    Get used to saying that.....!
     
  3. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    There is no such thing as rebuilding in the NFL.

    You Reload, and take another shot.
     
  4. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    So, you are suggesting in one scenario the Jets take a $17 million cap hit out of spite? To move on? To put the past behind them?

    Look, I think we all want to see Geno become the man, but we have no viable back-up, and Sanchez is already being paid.

    If Idzick is going to clear out $17MM in cap space this year--I want him to do it so he can sign a WR that can catch, a RB that isn't drunk and procreating, an O-Lineman that can block, a TE that can catch AND block, some depth at LB and safety, some special teams help.

    Not so we can "put the past couple of years to rest".

    That's just silly football management.

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  5. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Whatever term it anyway you want they are looking towards the future, the future isthe kid
     
  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez = Richard Todd

    Both High draft picks with high expectations. Both had/have problems with turnovers. Both had playoff success due to their defense and running game carrying them. Both lightning rods with the fans and media.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    except Richard threw more INTs in 2 different playoff games(4 vs. Buf, 5 at Mia) than Sanchez did in 6 playoff games.

    mark sanchez is not Richard Todd, mark Sanchez on the '82 Jets and we go to the Super Bowl. Richard Todd on the '09/'10 Jets and we struggle to win a playoff game.
     
  8. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Different times... it was easier to throw INTs back then than it is today with the rules changes benefiting the offense and the passing games.

    Seeing as how Sanchez is the league leader in turnovers in the most passing friendly era of football ever, I'm confident he'd throw as many INTs as Todd did had he played in a less friendly era.

    A great example of why you have to use context when viewing statistics Junc, Right?
     
  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    It's not a $17M cap hit in 2013 any more. It's what it is for this year, which is about $13M - which is on the cap no matter what, and about $4M next year.

    The cap hits are going to happen whether Mark Sanchez is on the Jets or not. There's no way to avoid them.

    As long as Sanchez is on the bench you're right he's probably the best backup QB the Jets are likely to get this season. The open question is whether or not Rex can discipline himself to keep Sanchez on the bench if Geno Smith has normal rookie struggles early on.

    Half of the let Sanchez go equation is that the fans don't have much stomach to see him on the field this year. The other half is that Rex has too much stomach in that regard.

    This is just a nonsensical statement. The Jets won't clear any cap space at all in a Mark Sanchez transaction unless they can find a sucker to pay some of his salary for the season. Not sure where you were going with this but whatever happens with Sanchez he is a sunk cost at this point.

    Again, I'm not sure where you were going with that. A Sanchez cut at this point is damage control, not to be able to add things to the team. There's a lot of damage to control at this point. Sanchez looked really miserable at QB by the end of last season. He was just throwing balls up for grabs blindly and the Jets were losing games in the process.
     
  10. Hobbes3259

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    Man Bway, youve really gone darksider.

    Simple fact is, right now. Sanchez is better than Freeman,Lockyer, anyone the Bills will trot out, and is capable of contributing to beating the Pats on Thursday night.

    Simply the Jets have a legit shot at coming out of the gate like Asafa Powell.

    The staff (particularly Rex) knows it, so sanchez wont get cut, and Geno wont be under center unless Sanchez gets hurt or the Jets arent winning by Week 5, and if that Happens...they'll bite the bullet till the Bye week, hoping to start Geno off in good circumstances.
     
  11. JStokes

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    We don't need "damage control" and fan's stomachs shouldn't have any impact on what Idzick does.

    It's reactionary hysteria.

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  12. ArmandJ

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    I mean if you want MetLife stadium to sound like an away game, keep Sanchez in...
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    In postseason he has 3 INTs in 6 games, there are probably not many QBs w/ a better ratio in today's game.

    Sanchez: 3 to 1 TD to INT ratio, .5 INts per game
    Peyton: 1.5 to 1, 1.05 per game
    Brady: 1.9 to 1, .92 per game
    Ben: 1.2 to 1, 1.2 per game
    Brees: 5.5 to 1, .44 per game
    Rodgers: 3.6 to 1, .55 per game
    Ryan: 1.3 to 1, 1.4 per game
    Eli: 2.1 to 1, .73 per game
    Flacco: 2.4 to 1, .62 per game

    is this enough context for you? only Brees is better in both categories and only Brees and Rodgers in ratio.


    4/5 INT games were never accepted in big games- in any era.


    Now let's compare Todd to playoff QBs of his era:

    Todd: .33 to 1 TDs to INTs, 3 TDs per game
    Plunkett: .92, to 1, 1.2 per game
    Theismann: 1.6 to 1, .78 per game
    Montana: 2.1 to 1, .91 per game
    Simms: 1.7 to 1, .6 per game
    jaworski: 1 to 1, 1.1 per game
    Fouts: .75 to 1, 2.3 per game
     
  14. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    if they make decisions based on whiny fan reaction they will never win.
     
  15. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    Yep, because good obedient fans like yourself like seeing poor quarterbacks lose the game for them week after week.
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    No, INTELLIGENT fans like myself aren't overreactionary based on one bad year w/ awful talent around him.



    NYG fans wanted Eli AND Coughlin gone, if NYG listened they'd have 2 less SBs
     
  17. ArmandJ

    ArmandJ Well-Known Member

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    You're the enlightened one. Because, you know, nobody on these forums watches the game. Nobody on ESPN watches the game. Same goes for NFL Network. Nope, we are average and we look up to the almighty nyjunc and his almighty knowledge about how great Sanchez is and how clutch he is.

    But hey, if being average means not being delusional, than I'll take being an average fan all day, every day. Can't wait to see Sanchez on the bench. Then all of the average fans will become intelligent. And you, nyjunc, you'll be just...average.
     
  18. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Holy fuck were talking about the playoff games again? He threw for less than 200 yds in 4 of them and averaged a measly 25 attempts per. The training wheels were on the whole time.

    4 playoff wins, should we raise a fuckin banner? Smh.
     
  19. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Many just follow through statsheets and rankings but not everyone that watched truly understands what they are watching.

    The media fires up the fans w/ controversy and the average fans that can't think for themselves eat it up. It's nothing personal, I am sure you are a good guy you are just an average fan.

    You'd prefer losing playoff games and having him pass for more than 250-300 yds?

    You know 4 playoff wins is the most in franchise history by DOUBLE, right?
     
  20. Br4d

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    After watching Sanchez throw 1 TD and 8 Int's in December last year while the Jets were losing two very winnable games, at Titans and Bills, we're badly in need of damage control at this point.

    The Jets have lost 5 games over the last couple of Decembers than you could hand a large portion of the blame for to Sanchez. He's degenerating as a QB at the end of each season and the Jets are losing games in the process.

    The only reason things weren't worse last December is that the Cardinals started a joke at QB against Rex's defense and Rex finally clued in enough to replace Sanchez when he was headed for a 6-0 or 13-0 loss if he kept him in the game.
     
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