wow! I can't help you if you think in any way those plays are similar. You may want to check the lines of scrimmage in both clips.
Not identical but I don't see how you think one play was so much different than the other, two short passes, two great efforts after the catch, great blocking down-field. Not sure what your argument is to be honest.
Devil's advocate time, does Tebow get the same benefit of the doubt also because of his late game heroics? (just trying to understand your logic)
I'm siding with Junc here. One was on 4th and 20+ and he dumps it off for 4 yards. The other was JCO in a normal play. What Ray Rice did is amazing. The D knew a stop there ended it and they gave the short pass and he went crazy. Different scenarios, same result, short throw for lots of YAC. The D was playing so far off, different case in JCO's case EDIT: If Sanchez ever threw a dumpoff on 4th and 20+ everyone would lose their mind how stupid he is and it's a terrible decision etc.
Yea I don't like to make a habit out of agreeing w/junc but these two plays are clearly way different.
what did Rice do that was "crazy?" he caught a pass and then simply outran the defense. he didn't make any crazy Barry Sanders like cuts that made defenders miss, he was simply faster than they were and got a block downfield to help. that is exactly like the Cotchery play. now, Cotchery isn't fast enough to catch the ball at a stop and then accelerate past the defense, but that is the difference between the players, not the play.
Ray Rice would have lost 3 yards when he had to dive and catch the ball thrown at his feet by Mark Sanchez. Open a window you need oxygen. Sanchez is the worst QB in the history of the NY Jets.
The only real differences were in the plays themselves, but rather, the situations. On the Rice play, he was 1 yard past the LoS and he eluded defenders for 23 yards. On the Cotchery play, he was about 5 yards past the LoS and he took the ball 58 yards. In both cases, the "play" was made due to the player eluding the defenders.
holy jesus unc you have lost your entire mind... i cant continue to try and convince you that you are confused and lost. i do wonder about tebows late game heroics though. that should be interesting, although i am sure you will say that they dont compare. be careful out there, after all the world is flat. stupid stats, they mean nothing.... absolutely nothing. it was 4th and 29 btw but that doesnt matter as the amount of yards he gets would be a stat, and therefore wouldnt matter.
This drives me nuts. You can never tell how much of it is Greene but sometimes its like sanchez just misses an 8 yard screen that I could hit while sitting down. Wtf is that.
Yet he ranks higher in playoff wins, playoff win % and post season QB rating (#6 in NFL history) then any QB to ever play for the Jets. Interesting. The question is, how did he do it before?
Does nobody understand the difference between a 4th and long play with the game on the line vs a play in the 4th quarter up 3 on 2nd down? Ray Rice made a great cut leaving 4 defenders eating dirt. He had 7 defenders in front of him trying to stop him and 1 behind chasing him down. JCo had the secondary in front of him and the LB and DL behind him when he caught it. What Ray Rice did is completely different because of the scenario he was in. The defense kept everything in front of them and couldn't stop him. The Patriots ran whatever they ran, but I bet it wasn't a prevent defense with safeties and corners dropping 30 yards back. If you take out the situation, then yes similar plays. But that's like saying if you take out the situation, Mark Sanchez's comeback drive in Miami this year is similar to Brady's in the Super Bowl. When and where the drives took place change the two and make them not similar scenarios.
I saw Santonio Holmes playing a bigger part in most of those plays at the end of games than Sanchez in 2010. Santonio Holmes was extremely clutch at the end of about 4 games in 2010, and I don't think that a lot of people give him credit for that. But this ain't 2 years ago, so none of that really matters apart from on an academic level. If Sanchez isn't on the hot seat already, he will be next year, and Rex Ryan too. And Sanchez never played head-to-head against Brady...they each played against the other team's defense. The Jets defense was MUCH better than New England's (and Indianapolis' for that matter), and I don't think anybody can realistically argue with that.
The real question is why is nobody calling that Joe Flacco's comeback drive...he threw the pass didn't he? 29-yard pass (or something like that), right? Wow, what a clutch throw by Flacco, getting the ball into the hands of his play-maker efficiently, right? There is a context for everything.
Also, I gotta laugh at people trying to compare the Ray Rice play to a Sanchez play 2 years ago. The two plays are completely different, so why try to compare them? If you want to talk about the passes themselves, neither one was particularly impressive, although Sanchez's was a bit harder...but Cotchery was WIDE OPEN in the zone on a seven-yard pass. Yeah, Sanchez hit him in stride, but that was basically a pitch-and-catch that you see high school QBs hit all the time. Sanchez had his eyes on him the whole time too. If it's somebody's contention that this was a really impressive throw or decision, I'd say they were wrong. The play worked and the throw was effective, but I wouldn't get overly worked up over Sanchez's part in it. It's funny how the entire Chargers defense seemed to take the same bad angle on Ray Rice though. Nobody seemed to want to cover the entire left side of the field. Ray just ran horizontally that way, where nobody was, cut back up the field, and gave a great effort at the end. Did he REALLY make it, though? Great individual effort by Cotchery and Rice, but they were still completely different and shouldn't be compared, really.
The plays weren't brought up to show/prove anything about Sanchez or Flacco, rather, it was to rebut the notion that Sanchez has never had playmakers like Rice on the team.
How many teams have a guy like Ray Rice? If Sanchez needs playmakers, a solid O and top defense that s a clear indicator of what you have at QB. Forget the playoff wins, the last 20 games, forget all of it. Right now, look at Sanchez in the pocket. He is skittish, hears phantom footsteps, makes poor decisions and can be wildly inaccurate. This kid has lost his confidence, has poor mentoring and plays in the city that is the media capital of the world. I don't see him ever being able to turn it around as a Jet.
