Sanchez: It’s my job to hold them accountable

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by NotSatoshiNakamoto, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. Jon_Snow

    Jon_Snow New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    463
    Likes Received:
    0
    After watching Wednesday night game between the Cowboys and Giants, I said to myself Sanchez is not in the same league of either of those team's QBs. Romo in particular, made some really intuitive moves to avoid sacks, buy time, read the coverage. Despite Eli playing a good game, his receivers dropping passes negated his efforts. Considering Sanchez play and the lack of quality receivers, and lack of a running game makes me very nervous.
     
    #61 Jon_Snow, Sep 6, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2012
  2. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2005
    Messages:
    15,249
    Likes Received:
    6,105
    If you were somehow drafted by the Jets, you would be the first person cut by Rex Ryan. That is great coaching.
     
  3. NYDeadEye

    NYDeadEye Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2011
    Messages:
    578
    Likes Received:
    1
    This is SO important I feel. It just can NOT be understated. I'm really glad he realizes that if the team fucks up, something goes wrong -- He's the one who gets criticized. Every time, and I'm glad he's finally stop putting up with any bullshit and is starting to get fed up with it.

    It's a leaders mentality to me. Hold up your team the best you can, hold people accountable in private, and then take responsibility publicly.
     
  4. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    35
    It's a leadership problem that many young guys face. How to step up and be in control with a group of guys who are older and more experienced than you are. Happens in the military with green 2nd Lt's and in business with recent graduates being thrown into management positions.

    Sanchez seems to have matured a bit over the last year and he sees himself as a "vet" now. Time will tell how it translates into on the field leadership.
     
  5. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    You don't really respond to that kind of discussion, and plus I was short for time. I just find it amazing how often you are completely wrong.

    First of all, you said Tebow replaced Brunell. RIght off the bat you were wrong. I take it you don't pay much attention. The Jets already had Stanton on the roster, and Brunell gone, when they traded for Tebow.

    RIght off the bat, as I said. To go through the rest of your post taking it apart would be like pulling wings off of flies. I am not that cruel.
     
  6. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    2,526
    Likes Received:
    1,695
    Although I agree to some extent, Stanton would be a bench warmer most of the season, unless something happened to Mark. Tebow brings a lot more to the offense per $ than anyone else we may have picked up in the mid fourth round. Although average or below, Tebow can fill a back-up QB roll, also a RB, FB, TE and ST... for a cash strapped team like the Jets that could be a huge benefit. Not that he will be great at any of those rolls, but he may be just good enough at all of them to make him worth a lot more than a 4th.

    Am I excited to see Tebow as our starting QB? NO. I do however want to see what the CS can do with him on 4th and 3, or a punt fake. If the Pats can make Woodhead look like a MVP, we had ought to be able to find a way for Tim to shine.

    Mark looked a lot more comfortable in the preseason than he did at the end of last year, if he can Alpha-male it this season, we may be alright.


    ...or we may just suck. lol
     
  7. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2009
    Messages:
    2,551
    Likes Received:
    87
    I've argued the same thing before. Mark would have progressed better last year if he could have kept his WR core from 2010. Losing Cotch, Braylon and even Brad Smith was a blow to his development. He knew those guys, had been playing with them for awhile and both Cotch and Braylon were good WRs.

    I understand the front office getting rid of them too though. They couldn't pay Braylon and Holmes, and Braylon was going through his annual blockhead off the field issue that summer. I'm not sure what Cotch wanted, but I'm guessing it was more than he ended up getting. Maybe the Jets should have signed all three. I'm not sure what we would have needed to give up.

    To be fair, in year 1 Mark had the best running game in the league. In year 2 he had a hall of fame RB (on the decline) and 3 very solid WRs. Year 3 he was stuck with Plax(lol) and Mason. I'm not hopeful this year either as far as his receivers go.
     
  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    The point is that for Sanchez the Jet's receivers have been an oddball mash from the get-go.

    2009:

    Jerrico Cotchery was a solid #2 verging on 1a who could make a play now and then when you really needed it.

    Chansi Stuckey was a second year guy who really did not have the chops to play as a #2. He was under-sized and had some quickness but not much speed. He was over-matched on everything but the underneath routes and some CB's could make him just disappear.

    Brad Smith was a wildcat QB and KR playing WR.

    David Clowney was a clown.

    That's about as weak a set of WR's as you could put on the field and to put a raw rookie out there with them was just silly. As soon as Cotchery got hurt Sanchez fell off a cliff.

    Enter Braylon Edwards who while a solid #1a WR just didn't have much time with Sanchez prior to taking the field with him.

    So 2009 was almost a total disaster in terms of WR's and Sanchez had a terrible season.

    2010:

    Braylon Edwards and Sanchez had some chemistry. They made some big plays. Sanchez looked good early on.

    Cotchery was still Cotchery and teams did what they could to take him away since he and Sanchez had some serious chemistry going on.

    Holmes shows up game 5 and everything starts to break down in the passing game, starting with Schotty suddenly becoming pass happy. Sanchez had 3 straight games over 100 QBRat before Holmes shows up and then he doesn't get there again for 6 games.

    His primary receivers for the first 4 games of 2010 are Edwards, Cotchery, Keller and LT and he looked pretty good. Throw a guy who wants the damn ball into the mix and suddenly things start to break down.

    After Sanchez has had a few games to work with Holmes he figures it out and we get the great finishes at the Lions and against the Texans. The Jets are really making Sanchez work at this point, effectively changing his receivers every 5 to 8 games since the start of his career.

    For 2009-2010 this is how the Sanchez/receiver totals look:

    Keller - 99 receptions
    Cotchery - 94 receptions
    Edwards - 84 receptions
    Tomlinson - 52 receptions
    Holmes - 51 receptions

    Then Sanchez loses Cotchery and Edwards before 2011. AYFKM?

    2011:

    Keller - 65 receptions
    Holmes - 51 receptions
    Burress - 45 receptions
    Tomlinson - 42 receptions
    Greene - 30 receptions
    Kerley - 29 receptions

    2012:

    Keller - ?
    Holmes - ?
    Hill - ?
    Kerley - ?
    Greene - ?
    backups - ?

    Again, AYFKM?
     
  9. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    13,104
    Likes Received:
    1,348
    Sanchez supporters make far too much of the turnover at receiver. All other things being equal, is continuity a good thing? Of course. But if the implication is that Sanchez has a lot more turnover to deal with than most Qb's, that's just not correct.

    Look at Flacco. Going into last year he retained only four of his top ten receivers the year before. And the Ravens made it to the Champ Game.

    Roster turnover is a fact of life in the NFL.
     
  10. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2004
    Messages:
    15,749
    Likes Received:
    2,361
    It begins.
     
  11. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    It would be nice to see him play well enough that nobody can doubt him.

    I still think there's some growing pains left but there's no question that when he's given some time and his receivers catch the ball he's a pretty good NFL QB.
     
  12. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2012
    Messages:
    5,356
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Ray Rice kinda helps that dont you think

    get us a running back to take pressure off of Dirty and there is no stopping us
     
  13. Demosthenes9

    Demosthenes9 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,463
    Likes Received:
    35
    Oh, he'll screw things up at some point this year. Thing is, just about all QBs do. You'd be hard pressed to find any good QB who doesn't have a 3 or 4 pick game once a year or so, well, aside from Aaron Rodgers :)

    Thing is, if/when it happens, just ride it out.
     
  14. JetsKickAss

    JetsKickAss Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2004
    Messages:
    6,602
    Likes Received:
    1,648
    Yes, and did you check out Matt Ryan's stats the last 3 playoffs after his great stats in the regular season ???

    Sanchez ELEVATES his play in the playoffs, the others never get that chance or flop.
     

Share This Page