The problem is, it would probably be LT or Mangold that jumped on it to protect the rest of the group, thereby taking out the little talent we have.
The overall problem with the Jets right now is that there's no clear accountability for the failures on offense. Sanchez: has no offensive line and the play-calling is suspect, with the opponents jumping way too many plays early. Schotty: Sanchez poor play under pressure, no offensive line. Callahan: trying to integrate players who clearly are not NFL ready at this point into his line, injuries. Ryan: working with a holdover OC who has always had his own agenda and resisted playing the kind of offense Rex really wants to run. When the HC has to go up to his coordinator on the sidelines during a game and cover his mouth with a play sheet and say the words "ground and pound" three times in a row it is a telling sign that he doesn't think he's being heard well enough at other times. I have to think at this point that the main problem is with Tannenbaum. He's the guy who has spent many picks trading up and trading for vets over the years. He's the guy who somehow put together this horrible offensive line group. He's the guy who covered Schotty's ass as Ryan was coming in the door. The depth on the offensive line would be better if real attention had been paid to it since 2007. Instead we have had one pick before the 6th round spent there and only four overall. The accountability in the coaching staff would be better if Ryan was working with his own OC instead of a holdover. I think Tannenbaum needs to step in here and begin the process of fixing things. Nothing that happens south of him is going to change the vector of this season much at this point.
If the Jets are going to fire Schottenheimer the way to do it is to de-emphasize his role in the offense over the next 3 weeks. Have Ryan force a simplfication of the offense as was done in late 2009 and have whoever is going to take over working as a consultant (if outside) or directly if inside over the next 3 weeks. Let Schotty go at the beginning of the bye week and use that two week period to complete the transformation to a more direct and simple offense. Use the bye week also to do a cattle call for offensive linemen looking for work at this point.
Problem is, we might score like 24 on offense next week but NE will probably have 40...so the focus will be off the offense and back on the D. I really don't know how much we can blame Schotty until we've actually seen the offense perform, which they haven't. Different play calls will not prevent defenders from hitting Sanchez within 3 seconds of the snap (unless we max protect on every pass, which is a less than ideal solution), or having a DT in his face on every snap, preventing him from stepping into throws. I agree that far too many passes are thrown within 5 yards of the LOS, but on TV we don't get all-22 views of the game, so it's entirely possible that someone was open downfield and Sanchez either went with the safe throw or couldn't step into a deeper throw. In my opinion, a lot of it is Mark not taking a shot when the opportunity arises. He's becoming Checkdown Chad 2.0. Of course, this is my opinion having not see the opposing secondary when we have the ball. But if, in fact, Mark is throwing short because nobody else is open down the field, well then we've got even more issues...
Sanchez calling out the OC, time to make a move. Thats a few players now and it's pretty obvious that Schotty is holding back an offense filled with playmakers. If Rex has one major fault, it could be his commitment and loyalty to schotty.
HE is the guy who is supposed to get them prepared for the game and that makes sure they execute his play-calls to a T. He sucked under Mangini and he has sucked under Rex with not only his play-calling but his lack of preparation. The game-planning is atrocious, I swear we use the same game-plan for EVERY FUCKING TEAM we play. We never take advantage of any teams weaknesses, we always do the opposite. I know our O-Line is total shit, so why can't we adjust our gameplan to at least account for that. He doesn't use any max protections, he totally abandoned the shotgun, and he didn't even think to use no-huddle in the 4th quarter. It's not all his fault, YES, but he's a huge reason this offense is still not clicking since he's been here.
Putting emotion aside, I wonder how many here really think the Jets will change out their OC mid season. I think that's very unlikely, ftr.
Talk about predictable From this clowns twitter last night: DavidClowney David Clowney What's sad is I swear I'm sitting here calling out plays before they run them and I haven't been with the #Jets in a year come tomorrow 13 hours ago
How about the fumble that the coaching staff blamed on Baxter, it looked like that was all on Sanchez and that of course led to Baxter being replaced by Vlad the Bell Hop which of course was a bigger disaster. The 1st fumble is his fault, how does he think Reed was going to blocked? There was nobody to block him. I was hoping for the BWW commercial and sprinkler head to pop up and trip Reed because that was the only way he wasn't hitting Sanchez there.
I agree, I don't see that happening, but if the season goes into the tank, then I can see them just letting him walk at the end of the year to be nice about it.
If the season goes into the tank and nothing is done to attempt to retrieve it I can see them firing Mike Tannenbaum at the end of the year. His draft record at this point is terrible when he's not trading up to cherry-pick people and the Jets depth is a direct result of his need to cherry-pick to get good results.
not trading up to cherry pick people? what does this mean? he doesn't get credit for Revis, Harris, sanchez,... b/c he traded up?
I don't agree with the "cherry pick" idea. It is not like he stole players out from other teams. He saw a talent and went for it. You can't say most of the guys he traded up for were not worth it.
With the personnel on offense, the issue is Schotty. Tannenbaum got this team to where it is by hiring the right coach. They missed on the coordinator. He sign an extension last season. He's not going anywhere.
The good players that Tannenbaum has drafted since 2007 are Revis, Harris, Keller and Sanchez. All trades up. The early picks that he has made in place since 2007 are Vernon Gholston, Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse, Muhammad Wilkerson and Kenrick Ellis. There's a huge difference in the quality levels when Tannenbaum identifies somebody he wants and moves up to take him. The moves up cost the Jets depth. The Jets poor depth is one of the things plaguing them right now and truth be told they are lucky on injuries AGAIN this year with the number of people out actually fairly low, just Mangold causing a huge problem. Imagine Darrelle Revis or David Harris going down and think what the Jets would look like at that point.
Remember that Woody Johnson is not a patient man. He fired Bradway and Herm after a single collapse season. He fired Mangini after a 9-7 season which followed a collapse season. If the Jets collapse this year he will fire somebody and the guy most prominent on the list is going to be Mike Tannenbaum who will have engineered both the 2007 and 2011 collapses if that's where we wind up.
When Revis doesn't play, the Jets are undefeated. Harris would be a problem, we've seen that. Mauga is no slouch, but backups are backups for a reason. There is always drop off unless its an old vet starting, and a young up and comer his behind him - similar to Sean Lee of Dallas. All GMs miss on picks. What we need Tanny and Rex to learn is what you said in the beginning of the post - they need 8+ picks a draft. They can draft well when they do that. 06 proves that theory. They just have to do it again. As great as 09 was getting 3 starters, it only had 3 damn prospects. Tanny has this tendency to think he's always one player away after a good year. That's beyond incorrect.
