Sanchez: 32 TD's and 18 Interceptions...Regression?

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  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    He's right. That said, the hysteria caused the Salem witch trials, not the other way around.
     
  2. avrus

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    Unfortunately they were 2 miles away from where they were supposed to be held, and he told them the wrong time.
     
  3. Br4d

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    Jake Delhomme was 29 when he did that. That's a huge difference. Derek Anderson made the Pro Bowl the season he did it, obviously people thought he was good.

    The point is that there are maybe a dozen QB's in NFL history that have had 30+ TD's in a season by the age of 25. The vast majority of them were really good QB's in the long run and really only one was a blowout in Anderson - and he came out of nowhere to have one big season and never did anything before or after.

    You can argue Jim Everett also, but he was really a victim of the Ram's collapse in 1990. He was a very good QB for them when they still had the stones to compete.
     
  4. LeonNYJ

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    Some Sanchez Stats for y'all. Sanchez's stats in games where the Jets won and lost.
    In games that they won, he had a 59.5% completion percentage.
    In games that they lost, he had a 54.5% completion percentage.
    He averaged 37.5% less touchdowns and 100% more interceptions in lost games.

    Result.....Comp......Att.......Yds......TD.......Int
    W..........18.00.....30.25...205.88...2.00.....0.75
    L............20.50.....37.63...228.38...1.25....1.50

    He also averaged 6.8 yards per attempt in wins, where he averaged 6.1 in losses. He had an additional 59 attempts in losses, but threw for only an additional 180 yards.
     
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    I'd be interested in seeing the 30+ TD list if you have it available.
     
  6. ManlyGenius

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    You know you're engaged in extreme cherry picking. What happens if you take his worst stats-find me all the non-rookies who were top five in picks and fumbles and 25th or lower in passer rating who ended up being good.

    It'll be a short list of good players and a very, very long list of crappy ones.
     
  7. Cellar-door

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    Except the league has changed.
    3 Qbs threw for more than 40 TDs this year, 5 had in the previous 80 years.
    9 Qbs had 30 or more total TDs this year, up from 5 last year which appears to be the previous record.
     
  8. Don

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    And 3 threw for over 5000 yards...2 of which broke a record that stood for 30 years.
     
  9. Br4d

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    The problem with your supposition though is that Sanchez wasn't even in the top 10 in terms of Interception percentage. He wasn't 25th or lower in passer rating either.

    This is most of my point. People are completely hysterical about Sanchez at this point because Rex mouthed off about the Jets going to the Super Bowl and the Jets decided to highly publicize the fact that they were switching from Ground and Pound to Air Schotty despite no off-season and despite this not working when teams had tried it in the past with a 3rd year starter and despite the fact that they had a horrible year in personnel management in general.

    Now to top all of that off the critics aren't even actually looking at what Sanchez did this season accurately. They're taking mediocre results and calling them terrible. That's just ridiculous. It's an exercise in futility.

    You put Mark Sanchez on a well run team this season and everybody is probably really happy with him at this point. Instead he existed in a madhouse where none of the adults knew what they were doing and everything fell apart as a result of that basic fact.
     
  10. DisgruntledLionFan

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    A few of the names:

    Jeff Blake
    Don Majkowski
    Dan Marino
    Matthew Stafford
    Cam Newton
    Jim Everett
    Derek Anderson
    Neil Lomax
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Daunte Culpepper
    Brett Favre
    Aaron Rodgers
    Randall Cunningham
     
  11. Struckanerve9

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    I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, too many people don't see the bigger picture when it comes the Jets offense. They seem more comfortable with blaming one guy as if replacing Sanchez would somehow magically fix the Jets offensive woes. Fact is, replacing him would only set this team back several years (at best). Sad people don't want to realize that. They seem intent to have this team end up like the Cleveland Browns.
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    When you're mentioned with the likes of Neil Lomax, and Jeff Blake you know you've hit the big time.
     
  13. strngplyr

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    Sanchez played awful in the most prolific passing season in league history, and still falls short when compared to others 3rd years during a time when DBs were allowed to maul receivers.

    You and Avrus have some of the most incomprehensible arguments I've ever seen.
     
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    That's great...wait...wasn't this supposed to be a "ground and pound" running team?
     
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    Really? You can't read numbers? Don't understand how an offensive line functions?
     
  16. ManlyGenius

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    Oops, my bad, he's 23rd in passer rating.

    Not sure where to look up interception percentage but he threw a ton of picks. And if you use interception percentage rather than total picks, to be consistent you have to use TD percentage rather than TDs.
     
  17. Struckanerve9

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    You seem to forget that the Jets were supposed to be a run first team. Ground and Pound! Ring a bell? Well, you don't set up your team to do one thing then expect them to switch it up and be another. Doesn't work that way. Besides, their line couldn't support a decent run game! Here's a simple concept FOUR is higher than TWENTY-TWO! Fourth is the Jets rushing ranking last year. 22nd was the Jets rushing ranking THIS year. That's BAD. And not just bad for the run game. When defenses don't respect your run game, they tend to drop more guys in pass coverage. Combine THAT with the fact that our RT couldn't stop a runny nose, means you have a perfect shitstorm of an offense.
     
  18. avrus

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    "Others" being 3 of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL and future hall of famers. Yeah ... what a fucking slacker that Sanchez is.

    All of that behind a terrible Oline and a OC that has about as much complexity to his play calling as a deck of Uno cards.
     
  19. strngplyr

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    I just find it hilarious how you're defending Sanchez like he'll be the next Dan Marino because he's a first round draft pick.

    Believe me, I hope the Jets keep him forever. Makes the AFCE that much easier for my team to win every year.
     
  20. DisgruntledLionFan

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    Look here:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/passing.htm
     

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