That is the key question and the right discussion to be having. It's also a discussion the NRA is hellbent on preventing. So the first thing is stop allowing the NRA from dictating policy. Obviously their goal is to make money first and foremost, so it's time to remove their seat at the table. Some topic points worth looking at: high capacity magazines gun mod kits....for instance bump stocks a clear definition on assault rifles, and which types of semi automatic rifles should be legal loop holes like private party sellers not requiring background checks ways to better screen for domestic violence offenders, criminal backgrounds, or mental illness other red flags like mass gun purchasing or ties to Islamic extremism What is so difficult about obtaining a gun in NY? I'm looking into getting one now, and it doesn't seem very complicated.
I think it's more racist than that. It's not until white liberals see white people getting shot up they get scared. They don't care about the black people getting shot up - unless it's a cop doing the shooting of course. Then it's institutional racism and they're outraged.
I mean if everyone is carrying the cowards who commit these type of attacks probably wouldn't be so brave. At least I don't think they would be. That said, I'm surprised no one in that church was carrying. Of course, we should still not allow convicted felons or court ordered mental health cases to carry.
It's a very strange situation. It's almost like the left claims to be for equality, yet they seem to do their best to keep people from prospering by brainwashing them to think they are perpetual victims of everything. Then, they turn their back on some of the biggest issues they face, and even help to perpetuate their problems by keeping them enslaved to welfare etc. but the right is racist....
The NRA is here to stay. If not for the NRA, the liberals would have taken the 2nd Amendment away a long time ago. The NRA is the only strong enough party to oppose them. I am all for eliminating the existing loopholes that allow to buy firearms without background checks. Nothing against better background checks either. In order to get a handgun permit in NYC, one has to fill out a $340 application, submit fingerprints ($89), submit a letter from a spouse (if married), letters from 2 (I think) people who can vouch that you are of good character, and also a letter from you explaining why you need a handgun. Then, you wait for about a year to get interviewed at the NYPD HQ. I read those requirements once and pretty much instantly gave up on the idea. Then, there's also a 10-round magazine capacity limit. Also, one can't possess more than 200 rounds and only of the caliber listed on your handgun permit. If God forbid, NYPD finds one round of a different caliber, you'll get arrested.
didn't this happen in Texas? everyone in that church was probably carrying and it didn't make a damn bit of difference.
The armed citizen wasn't inside the church though. Apparently the scumbag knew that people inside the church didn't have firearms on them. He did shoot two people dead before entering the church. I assume if people inside had firearms on them, they would have met him with gunfire when he entered the building.
Sounds like the shooter passed a background check even though he had a prior domestic violence conviction that should have made him fail. I guess our infallible big government that is going to solve all our problems failed again.
after he mowed down 20+ people, including stopping in the middle to walk back out to his car for more supplies, while armed people watched. some fired pot shots. My point is, average joes like us aren't John Waynes or John Rambos just waiting around for the opportunity to save everyone
I haven't read any news today but did he buy the gun "legally"? I thought his dishonorable discharge would have prevented that
He received a bad conduct discharge, which is not a felony. His domestic violence, however, would have prevented him from legally buying firearms. I wonder if the fact that he was court-martialed might have hidden his domestic violence record from the instant check system used by FFLs.
yes. my fake news television network had a couple on this morning that lived next door. the wife stated that they watched in horror in their home with shotguns as they called 9/11. plus people were shooting at the suspect when he went outside. they reported. again, a fake news network, so probably a lie.
I thought you meant people in the church. Not sure I get how they were watching inside the church from their house.
Well, shotgun is a closed quarters weapon and would have had no chance against the scumbag with an AR-15 in an open space. They merely had weapons to protect their home, which is what a shotgun is for. And yes, another neighbor, who was armed with a rifle, shot the murderer and then went after him, so what's your point?
well it just happened yesterday. we will find out what happened inside the church in due time. provided it is investigated and/or reported by the few reputable news outlets left and not some fake news bullshit.. I'm just telling you what I heard on my fake news channel
