Same old ARod

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  1. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    So then you're saying all of Brosius' 60 RBIs would either tie the game or put the Yankees ahead? That's the only way it could even be scientifically possible for the Yankees to still win the same amount of games, nearly every single one of his runs would have to be the tying or lead run.
     
  2. wildthing202

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    and just think he could of been on the Red Sox just like that, may of been bad then but it looks so sweet now(thanks players union).
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Instead of winning 9-3 they win 6 or 7-3. 90% of ARod's #s come in blowout gams one way or the other.

    Did he get some clutch hits? sure but not nearly enough to be the real MVP which should have gone to Ortiz. ARod had better #s but ortiz delivered when his team needed him most.

    You don't get it. Brosius doesn't have to come through every time, he wasn't the supposed best player on our team. the team wasn't dependant upon him like they are w/ ARod. Brosius would get mroe clutch hits than ARod that's for sure.

    think of what might have been, ARod gos to Boston, Schilling becomes a Yank and the curse lives on while we have #27 in the trophy room.
     
  4. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    You're actually the one that doesn't get it. It's becoming quite comical.

    All things remaining equal with the entire team, except you remove A-Rod and put in Scott Brosius over the course of the ENTIRE SEASON, which is 65 less runs produced, and the Yankees don't win 95 games. That's not a point you can argue, it's impossible for the Yankees to win the same amount of games as they did, but score 65 less runs. Impossible. Stop avoiding that fact, which is what you have done. It is not at all possible for the Yankees to win 95 or more games by losing 65 runs scored.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    If most of ARod's runs produced come in blowouts(for or against) how does that help us win? Brosius would contribute in closer games unlike ARod.

    How did we ever manage to win w/o ARod? last I checkled we had been to 5 of 6 WS including the precious year before ARod got here. How did we do it w/o all his "runs produced"? where would this franchise be w/o ARod "carrying us" to the playoffs last year? :lol:
     
  6. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    I think our ability to get to the WS before A-Rod got here had a little bit to do with the fact that our pitching overall was better from 1996-2003, than it was in 2004 and 2005. But I'm sure you'll argue that one too, since that's all you do is argue.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Interesting fact, we had a better tam ERA in 2004 & 2005 than we did in 2000. Why did we win the WS in 2000 and not come close the last 2 years?
     
  8. AMJets

    AMJets Well-Known Member

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    Well, we won 8 more games in 2005 and 14 more in 2004, but also:

    2000 ALDS ERA: 4.70
    2000 ALCS ERA: 3.06
    2000 WS ERA: 2.68

    2004 ALDS ERA: 3.73
    2004 ALCS ERA: 5.30

    2005 ALDS ERA: 4.40

    I'd say our pitching was better overall in the 2000 postseason than in '04 or '05.

    Also, super-clutch Scott Brosius hit .229 in the 2000 postseason.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    maybe if our bats could have come through and taken some pressure off our pitchers things could have been different.


    You are going to look at Brosius' average and tell me if he was clutch?

    -In game 2 of the ALCS w/ the Yanks down a run in the series and down 1-0 in the 7th brosius singled to get us started but was pinch run for and we couldn't get the runner home.

    -In game 3 w/ the yanks up 2-1 brosius singled to start the 3rd and came around to score. yanks eventually won 8-2 so the 3rd run was the final run we needed.

    -In game 4 w/ no score and 2 out brosius got a hit to start things off in an inning we'd score 3 and w/ the way Clemens pitched that night 1 run and the game was over.

    -Game 2 of the WS Brosius homered in the 2nd inning to give the Yanks a 3-0 lead(was 2-0 going into the AB), had 2 RBI(2 more than ARod in the entire '05 ALDS).

    -Game 4, had sac fly in 2nd inning and we won the game 3-2.

    -Game 5, in the 9th inning tied 2-2 after posada walked he singled w/ 2 outs and would come around for our 4th run and help us clinch #26.

    I don't care what his average was, he came through for us. if he came through one time it was one more than ARod last year vs. LAA but he came through numerous times. by the way, since you are looking at average in the WS he batted .308.
     
  10. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    so does a-rods hr last night count junc? elias wants to know
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Is it clutch? I don't think so, up 4-1 takes away the clutch but he did do his job so I am happy.
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    By the way clutch was reyes' HR or beltran's HR, ARod was just doing his job in that situation- nothing extraordinary.
     
  13. KOZ

    KOZ Totally Addicted

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    Here's A Question For Yankee Fans

    If you could turn back the clock and sign up David Wright as a rookie, or stay with A-Rod, what do you do?
     
  14. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    It's still early in Wright's career but I think I go w/ Wright. He's not going to put up ARod #s and isn't as good defensively but he has shown that he plays well under pressure. I wish we could go back and keep Aaron Boone off the basketball court and we wouldn't be in this mess. of course ARod still has a chance to turn it around, if we make it to October and he does what he's supposed to do all will be forgiven. I hope that day comes.
     
  15. ButtleMan

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    Arod HR last night just shows you that every run is needed, regardless of the score.
     
  16. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    It actually is. If you win games 6-4 or 5-4 (which is the average from last year and then the average taking away 65 runs), you are still winning. Those 65 runs may affect the MARGIN of victory, but it doesn't nessicarrily affect the NUMBER of victories.
     
  17. ButtleMan

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    That all depends on just how many games were 1 run games, 2 run games etc and what he did in those games and the situations.
     
  18. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    I know, but to say it's not possible and try to insult the intelligence of anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. You're right, it totally depends on the situation, which is the point. Arod seems to hit most of his home runs in situations that don't affect the outcome of the game.
     
  19. ButtleMan

    ButtleMan New Member

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    That is the key word in the phrase Devil. Seems.
    By all right, last nights HR seemed to be one of the wasteful HR/RBI's that everyone has been harping about but it ended up being necessary.
    Obviously games dont get to be 14-3 without several players doing something after the game has been put out of reach, but any baseball person will tell you that each run is needed. Proof of this is the past week where several teams have come back from serious defecits.
    Temas dont stop playing just because they are down or up by several runs.

    "It aint over till its over"
     
  20. BIG COUNTRY

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    David Wright, plus Wright is clutch, A-rod is a better fielder(not by much) and Wright wont put up A-rod numbers but in the clutch Wright would be much better.

    A-rod did his job last night, Ive been very dissapointed with him but he did well yesterday. There was importance in that so Im happy. Im not mad when he gets homeruns in 10-2 games however Im mad about him not getting those hits in 2-1 games or hits in a somewhat clutch situation. Overall though I would definitely take Broscious in the post-season and for the regular season Broscious with a lot more money to invest in a pitcher or something.
     

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