my "silver lining" is that the season is over after week 5 and now I won't have to deal with any heartbreak for at least a year.
I think the jets should do that with their #1 next year AND do that with current DL Q. Williams. He hasn't and won't do squat for the jets playing in their 3-4 defense, which puts a premium on edge rushers, not interior lineman. MacCagnan never understood that and probably still doesn't. Move Q. Williams now or next April for package of picks. I am sure that any team playing a 4-3 defense could use his quickness and power and would pay up.
MacCagnan did NOT trade all those for high picks for Darold. He traded them to move from #6 to #3 in the first round, about a month before the draft. MacIdiot is lucky that the Giants took Barkley at #2, otherwise Maccagan he would have had to take QB Josh Rosen (with Mayfield and Darold gone) after forking over all those high picks. Arizona barely got ONE second round pick from Miami to unload Rosen after his failed first year. MacCagnan WAY overpaid and got lucky Darold fell.
If Macc took Mahomes he would have been a bust here. This team sucks at developing QBs. At least Darnold got out from Mac and Bowles' influence after a single season. Hopefully Gase doesn't ruin him now.
If you believe that Mahomes would've been a bust here you're simply wrong. Would he have done as well here? Probably not, but he sure as hell would be better than Darnold. The kid is even better on the run than he is in the pocket, what better quality to have with this OL? Saying he would've been a bust to justify not taking him is like saying Marino would've never done as well here because of his party boy nature. Did they not have parties in Miami? If Mahomes stays healthy, he's a cinch HOF'er. How is that not a good thing to have?
My point is that the Jets ruin QBs and with the team that the Jets have compared to the Chiefs and with Bowles at coach, it would have been a completely different story. Having Andy Reid and the roster that the Chiefs have allowed Mahomes to transition to the Pro game much easier and reach his potential much faster.
He traded to move up to select his franchise QB whoever it was meant to be. He got lucky as hell Darnold slipped. I'm not debating that. The original poster was talking about how it hurt to watch the Colts OL dominate last night thanks in part to the picks Mac traded. If Mac didn't move up from #6 to #3 Darnold will be on another team that's a fact. Then where would the Jets be today? Lousy team AND no hope for the immediate future. That's all I was saying. And Arizona only getting a second rounder for Rosen is a completely different circumstance. Rosen's stock slipped during his rookie year. I understand Mac is an idiot. But I have a hard time blasting the 2018 draft trade. Had he waited longer another team could have swooped in and dealt with the Colts - if the Colts were still looking for a trade partner on draft day after Darnold slipped the trade would have been steeper. And I'll say again let's see what our current GM ( a former OL himself ) does to rebuild this OL. A draft day trade, maybe an additional FA signing? A new young LT and C for starters maybe? A rebuilt OL will do wonders for Darnold and this franchise….
Jets would have drafted either Allen or Rosen at #6. Allen's certainly not a superstar, but hey, his team is 4-1 and he seems to be making progress. I'd obviously have Darnold over Allen as of right now, but Allen wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world. Rosen would have been an even worse fit in NY than in Arizona, so that would have been a disaster.
Even if Mac had been smart enough to draft Mahomes or Watson, I seriously doubt if he'd have been smart enough to draft either Q. Nelson or B. Smith. He'd probably have taken 2 more DL or Safeties.
It probably would have been Rosen - a complete disaster. If there was a do over with that trade I wouldn't change a thing - that trade wasn't and isn't the problem. The problem is how Mac handled the OL in general throughout his tenure. It never should of come down to that one draft. What was he thinking in regards to this past draft when I figured he would have no choice but to draft OL? He completely swung and missed and now the team is really suffering. The OL is older and has regressed - it was no great shakes to begin with. Now instead of continuing the OL rebuild or restocking so to say, Douglas has to tear it completely down and start from scratch....with Darnold's health in the balance. By the time the Colts fixed their line it was too late for Luck.
I hope that we can indeed trade back once, garner some additional picks and still get a great LT, edge rusher or WR prospect. I know it will never happen, but I'd love to see us drafting in the top 5, trade back to around 10 garnering 1st and 2nd this year and next year, at 10 there is a player another team covets, and we then trade back from 10 to 15 and garner an additional 2nd an 3rd round pick this year. That would give us two 1st and two 2nd round picks both this year and next, and an additional 2nd and 3rd round pick this year. With 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds, Douglas should be able to fill some holes and add some serious talent to the team. He could add 2 OL, an edge rusher, a WR (or 2) and a CB (or 2 instead of 2 WRs). If he's able to add a CB and a couple of OL in FA, our team could look radically different next season. Even if Gase is still here, we might be able to win in spite of him, if not because of him.
Fix the OL - build it from scratch. Then go find Sam a dependable go to WR. This can be done in 1-2 years if the right moves are made.
nice post--I was not criticizing your earlier post--just clarifying how that draft went down. I still cannot believe MacCagnan devoted just three picks to OL in 5 drafts, two in round 5, and the other in late round three (and now it is showing--10 sacks yesterday). Why/How did the jets owner, team president, or anyone else working around Maccagnan NOT educate him just a little about the value of a competitive OL???????????
No doubt about it. But success rates, even with great GMs, are far from a sure thing. The good news is, I believe we have the right GM for fixing the OL.
agreed Didn't mean to imply i dislike Darnold should have been clearer that the point i was trying to make was one good draft can do a lot to an OL -- those guys are only in their second year!! Nelson was pro bowl as a rookie our line is sucking ass now, and "our" picks from two years ago are killing it.
No I understand. This OL rebuild should of been started a while ago.....my first hint that Mac had issues came during the 2017 draft when he selected Maye with the second round pick. He's a nice player - albeit injury prone - but there were so many more needs. He ignored center for three straight drafts knowing Mangold was at the end in 2016. How about a top notch CB knowing Revis was on his way out ? EDGE ? Nope...just kept trading down for quantity as in lower round picks instead of quality - using his own higher picks. Then along came 2019 when we all knew the OL needed a face lift. And again he began trading down and down every time one of his players was selected before his pick. I wouldn't even have minded he give up a pick to move up if it was to secure a solid starter. He seemed to have a thing about finding the diamond in the rough and look at the roster now because of that philosophy....
