Salehs press conference plus latest jet rumors

I don't care what the stats say. The reality of play showed that our OL was a problem. It's true that they improved over the season, but then injuries started hitting them. The Jets cannot afford to have poor OL play for whatever reason.

 

Totally agree, but I can't remember too many folks on here pining for Mahomes OR Watson. Mahomes was an odd ball with a losing record that most teams shyed away from. I think most folks were surprised with Chefs traded up for him. Same fans were even more surprised when Mahomes lit it up.

What was the chatter on here? I know most/many didn't care for Hack, but were we yelling for Mahomes? I don't recall any Mahomes hype on here. One guy for sure, but overall I don't recall much Mahomes noise.

 

You didn't say Safety was a premium position directly, but by saying you'd use a top 15 pick on one says that.

No one is saying we should "reach for need". But if a stud player is available at a premium position of need then you take him.

While QB makes the biggest difference by far, there are other positions where adding a true stud can make a significant difference in your ability to win games, that is improve the win total. Edge is one of those. LT is another. WR is another. In certain offenses - LaFleuer's WCO - TE is another. What would the Patriots record have been without great TE play? Where would Rodgers and Mahomes be without great WRs to throw to? But lack of a great Safety hasn't been a deal breaker for most SB winning teams.

 

1- Those are my fav unis. Black with the dark green hats.
2- That play by Adams was career defining, like OBJ's backwards catch. Giants should have cut Barkly and Danial Jones right after that game!
3- Was watching highlites of Hamilton a while back..very impressive. One moment scared me a bit though...after making a great play he tore off his helmet and strutted around the field pounding his chest. That one moment he struck me as a huge me-me-me guy. Of course, he got flagged for 15. Maybe that was just a one-off and he's not really like that?

 

I was one of those pounding the table for him. Legler called attention to Mahomes early and I jumped on the bandwagon right after that. I'm frankly still amazed that even professional NFL talent evaluators didn't see what he could - and would - do. His arm strength and ability to improvise and make plays out of nothing is off the charts.

But the point you bolded of mine wasn't so much about missing on Mahomes as it was in passing on taking a QB when one was needed. Reports of how bad Hack was were widely known, so how Macc didn't understand that was a massive failure on his part. Most likely he was trying to avoid admitting he had made a big mistake using his #2 pick on Hackenberg, but regardless, not taking a QB at #6 was incompetent.

 

I am sure there were lots of posts about quoting the articles talking about the buzz that the FO wanted to trade up for AVT.

The problem in you not seeing it is three fold.
1. There are rumors every year and they rarely come true.
2. This forum is dominated by very loud trolls that drown out the thoughtful and intelligent posts and most news posts.
3. Last year before the draft the trolls were in rare form. One particular Justin Fields love troll posted 50 to 100 spam posts every single day for the 3 months up to the draft hoping to drown out all the posts he disagreed with but he was unable to make an argument in response. Essentially this forum became all about him and a few other trolls with little to do with the Jets.

 

Did you see Mahomes the Second half of the Bengals game and how he looked early in the season and the last Superbowl? That is the Mahomes Jets would have gotten and this fan base would be calling him a bust.

 

Yes, you're right, Jets fans would've been calling him a bust, which goes to show how little most of them know. Still, Mahomes would've been better than anyone else we used at QB.

 

100% agree. Qbs need good weapons, consistent and good coaching, and a decent o-line. Missing any one of the three can make a very good QB look bad, especially when they are young.

 

Joe Namath won 1 superbowl and he's been worshipped by this fan base for like 70 years. I'm pretty sure Mahomes woulda gotten the same treatment here and wouldnt be called a bust

the stuff you guys come up with sometimes

 

Cant help but wonder if we're back in the Hack days but with Zack. 99% of the evidence says Zack aint the guy, but here we are again bc we think Zack will come to life in yr 2, so no need to talk about drafting a QB.
Only this time it's all of TGG and not just GM Mac.

 

No, that's not the point. It's not a matter of either/or. If Saleh wanted to, he could start 22 rookies, but that wouldn't be necessary. Those extra players could be at other positions of need, be part of a rotation, or upgrade depth. You can't definitively state that JD follows some policy after one time following that policy. What's much more likely is JD either staying put or trading down for additional picks. That's the background that he came from, and so far he hasn't been all that aggressive. That's also not the way to rebuild a team when you have as many holes/needs as the Jets have. One time is fine, but it shouldn't be a habit or pattern.

Yes, Fant and Becton make a good starting duo if both are healthy and playing, but the point is that Becton may not be starting, or if he is, he may not be playing well. He may not even be healthy. If Fant keeps the LT job, then Becton may not be good at RT. He wasn't at Louisville. And what if both get injured again and have to miss multiple games? Risking Zach's health and future playing behind Edoga and some other scrub OT is not wise imo and is totally avoidable.

I never said that GVR was good at RG, so please don't twist my words or put words in my mouth. Besides, don't say it's "fair" or fine for me to have my opinion, and then try to turn around and discredit my opinion by citing some other player I commented on. That's hypocritical. I said that he played much better at the end of the 2020 season, and that Saleh and JD thought he would be a good fit in our zone blocking scheme as he is mobile. Evidently I have higher standards for play than you do, and my standards are totally realistic. Maybe you're willing to accept subpar play, but I'm not. Other teams have had better depth than the Jets, we can get better depth too. I think you probably are a minority of one who thinks that Edoga is a fine backup. I have seen quite a few others on this forum state that they think Edoga sucks too.

Whether he's the #1 or #2, or even #3 TE doesn't matter. If he sees the playing field, he could be targeted, especially if he's the #2 TE in 2 TE sets. The Jets would have to target him to keep opposing Ds honest, and if he drops the ball again, he won't accomplish that and could cost us games again. I remember reading that he hadn't dropped a lot of passes before he came to the Jets, but in the end that doesn't matter. What's important is what he did for us, and last year he killed us with his drops. I'm not willing to risk his doing it again, even as the #2 or #3 TE. We're stuck with Davis, and he could drop a bunch of passes again this year. I'm not willing to keep another potential receiver who is capable of dropping a bunch of passes. Besides, a message needs to be sent to the players, that dropping passes and committing stupid penalties that negate 1st downs, big plays and/or TDS will not be tolerated. It's a part of demanding accountability. If JD does bring him back, I'll accept it and hope for the best, but hope that he won't. We could sign another TE for what we paid Kroft last year or what we'd have to pay to bring him back. When there are better TEs out there, I'm not willing to settle for mediocrity, especially so I can focus on the D like you want to do. This is an offensive league, and getting out offense going and developing Zach into a FQB is THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY MATTERS OR SHOULD MATTER AT THIS POINT. The D can kick rocks for a year if need be, but I don't think it will have to. JD can add new good players to the D as well, but Saleh/Ulbrich have to do a better job of adapting the scheme to the skills/talents of the players we have and putting them in a position to succeed, or it won't matter if JD uses the entire draft and all the FA $s on D. It took him several weeks, but MLF adapted and adjusted the scheme and his play calling. It took Ulbrich and Saleh half the season, and even then the D didn't start playing at a decent level until the last 3-4 games.

 

Reaching for a RT in the 1st round would have been a pretty good trick for the Texans considering that they didn't have a 1st round pick or a 2nd round pick, and their first pick was the 67th pick of the draft when they took David Mills, QB. Further, they didn't even draft an OL in the 2021 NFL draft. They did draft an OT to be their swing tackle in the 4th round of the 2020 draft.

 

I wouldn't want to draft a QB but i'd love to get one in free agency, I havn't the greatest confidence in any of ours as much as I hope Zack proves me wrong. Not that I have any idea what the options would be, and no not Watson

 

Foley is a goner he'll get paid somewhere else. Don't like London, he doesn't create space, thats why he gets all the contested catches. Reminds me too much of Mims. Would prefer Burks or Wilson.