It was a "failure" in this sense: 1. Picking him meant they didn't pick Mahomes or Watson - MAJOR failure. 2. How many games did the Jets win because of him? 3. Did he live up to his pre-draft billing as a team leader, or display a Me-first attitude? In the end he "redeemed" himself somewhat by how much the Jets were able to get for him, but I don't credit him with that as a "success".
With whats come out on Watson, it looks like taking Adams over him, in the long run, was not a failure........thats is unless Texans get like three 1st for him (which i doubt).
What piss me off the most about Jamal Adams was the hype surrounding his attitude and character. He was labelled the guy that would change the losing culture of the Jets and become the leader for the next 15 years. It was false obviously, the guy is a great player and well appreciated but he is very selfish and self entitled. He was so 'happy' and relieved to move on after 3 years with the Jets. Anyway back to the topic, drafting a safety top 5 or even top 10 is so ridiculous. I would rather draft another QB if that is the case.
I don't know how guys like Denning, McBride, Ferguson, Ruckert, and the DT from UConn couldn't have Joe Douglas frothing at the mouth? Obviously, they won't get all of them but i would imagine Denning and McBride will probably end up being Jets? The Jets CS got an up close and personal look at the best of what the draft has to offer. I don't know how this could be anything other than a good thing. I think the 2021 draft was a very good draft. I believe the 2022 draft will be even better.
Yeah, Penning, McBride, Mafe, Johnson, Travis Jones (the DT from UConn), perhaps Strange, P. Winfrey, Ferguson, Ruckert, Doubs, several of the other Edges, and others they coached have a good chance of being drafted by the Jets if they worked hard, showed that they loved the game, were quick learners, and have high football IQs. Getting to coach was awesome for the Jets.
I don’t remember the Jets being linked to AVT, Moore, or Carter last year. So any pick in that draft besides Mahomes or Watson would he considered a failure. It’s not about Adams being a S, it’s about him not being a QB
Been a while since you said this, I bet you had to find this at the back of the cupboard and dust it off before airing it again lol
I don't recall about Moore and Carter but there were a number of stories leaked about a week before the draft of the Jets having a deal in place to trade up for AVT.
What the Jets have to focus on this off season is the glaring ineptitude of the current owners. Jet fans need to draft a competent engaged football oriented owner!
If you want to be specific, it was a strategic failure to not draft a QB when you're team needed one - it's by far THE most important and impactful position on the team. It was a tactical failure to not draft Mahomes or Watson. But to instead draft a Safety, and then double down and draft a second Safety with the next pick should've triggered Macc's immediate dismissal and escort from the draft room. That draft alone set the Jets back 10 years from which they're still trying to dig out from. But had the Jets not desperately needed a QB, and had Mahomes and Watson not both been there for the taking - IOW, a typical draft year - taking Adams, a Safety at #6 still would've been a failure IMO. A trade back would've been better, but failing that the best OL available or a stud WR or TE at least. But Macc had NO idea how to build a team beyond "I'll just keep grabbing BPA and eventually we'll have a whole team of them!". The period of time covering Idzik to Macc and including Bowles and Gase will go down as the deepest depression in Jets history.
I feel ya partner…. My stance is that any talented QB would have been wasted with our CS and the players Mac put on the team. Mac started off with some nice signings (maybe just Decker and Marshall) but that man couldn’t draft for shit. It’s no surprise he couldn’t see what Mahomes could be. Re strategic failure: I’m not a fan of a QB being the first brick in a rebuild. Rams QB - last brick Bengals QB - 3rd brick (picked OL in the 1st the 2 years b4 burrow) 49ers - last brick Chiefs - last brick There are certainly many ways to build a quality team, as Jets fans we’ve just never seen it first hand.
I agree there are many ways to build a contender, but most of those are driven by circumstance. All things being equal though I think getting your QB and building a system and team around him is the ideal way when starting from scratch as the Jets should've done after the mirage of Macc and Bowles's first season. And really, the football gods all but led them by the nose to doing that, but Macc was so ignorant he couldn't see it. But if your potential FQB isn't there for you in the draft - or you're not in a position to draft him, then yes, setting that on the back burner and building up the rest of the team is sensible. That said, when you think your FQB IS there and available to you, you need to pounce and then build up around him, which is hopefully what Douglas is doing - we'll see if this is true this off season. Once your rebuild is completed, and you've confirmed that by producing a winning season or two, and you've hopefully built it on a sustainable blueprint, then you only have to replace pieces as they age, or better ones become available, and if you've already gotten your FQB in a recent draft you shouldn't have to worry about that for a decade at least.
Exactly! The bold is particularly spot on. This is where some posters/fans logic is an epic fail. They just lump everything together, see that some teams didn't start with the QB, and think that's the way to go. They didn't look closely enough, or think through it deeply enough to realize that circumstances dictated the way those teams rebuilt. Either they couldn't trade up or they didn't like the QBs in that draft and so were forced to draft other players, and sign or trade for a vet QB to hold the fort for a year or two. In the situation where one is drafting high and needs a QB, if one doesn't like the QBs available, then the only sensible choice is to build the team first. If one likes a QB, however, then the only sensible choice is to take the QB, since that's the most important player and the hardest to get. As you said, there different ways to build a contender, but all ways are not equal. Some are better than others, and the best or ideal way is getting the QB first. IMO that is not disputable if one has any real football knowledge or common sense. The skills, talent and abilities of the QB should determine what kind of offensive scheme will be utilized, and that in turn should help dictate the type of offensive players that one adds around that QB. Picking the QB last is totally assbackwards, it's making the QB adapt to the skills of the players already there and the scheme that's already in place. Then more than likely the rookie QB would need to sit for a year or two, so it extends the time before the team can make the playoffs and possibly be a legit contender for the Lombardi Trophy. Once a team is assembled, they should be ready to contend for the Lombardi Trophy, and not having a rookie QB hold them back. They may win a few more games each season, but that results in worse draft position, and that makes it harder to get that QB without burning a lot of draft capital to trade up, and that's if you can find a team willing to trade down. A prime example of doing it the right way is the Bengals. They could have traded down from #1 and gotten a boatload of picks in return and focused on building the rest of the team and finding the QB later. Instead, they stayed put and took the QB and then have built around him, and now they're in the SB.
Two things in your post that stand out to me is what I bolded. The first one is what the Jets did with Darnold: they had a mostly veteran team and Bowles's "system" was already in place and they forced Sam into it without even letting him sit and learn for a season or two. Why? Because they were desperate for a QB that was better than the dreck they had...the dreck they had because dumbass Maccagnan spit in the football gods eye and passed over their FQB the prior draft. And this is what the Jets have historically done: drafted a QB and tried to make him learn and play the system they already had even if his natural skillset wasn't conducive to that system. The second thing is why trading back instead of taking a guy who could be your FQB is a bad idea. Sure, there will likely be a good prospect or two every year, but you'll likely have improved your team enough so that you won't be in a position to draft one of them, or you'll have to use up valuable assets to trade up which is entirely contingent on whether the team in position to draft one of these valuable players is willing to trade back. The belief of people who advocate trading back instead of taking a shot at a FQB seems based on Madden, or a "grocery store" idea of how players are acquired: whenever you're "low on milk", you just got to the store and get some...when you're "low on QBs" you just wait until the draft and draft one. I believe that Douglas saw that Wilson was the best shot at a FQB he'd have. If his rebuild worked, he would fall farther and farther back in the draft order and be unlikely to have a shot a top QB prospect, and he saw in Zach physical and intangible abilities that aren't seen every year. But if he didn't think Zach was the right guy, he would've passed on him. Those who still can't see what Douglas saw to make him the #2 pick are just willfully blind, or believe they know more than a guy who has spent his entire adult life in successful football organizations.
Yep. Spot on! We see the ignorant attitude you mentioned (and that I bolded) all the time on here. The posters with that attitude don't understand the game and don't understand that things aren't as easy as they think. They're mentally lazy, don't research, don't look at depth at the draft and think about the different teams and the troubles that teams have finding a FQB. I totally agree that if JD didn't think Zach was the right QB for the Jets going forward, that he wouldn't have take him. He would have taken Fields or Lance or traded down and waited for another year or two to take a QB if he didn't think any of the other QBs had FQB potential. He knew that the right/best way to build was getting the QB first and then building around him, so that's what he's doing.
Do you realize that 3 out of the 4 teams in the Conference championship games did it “ass backwards? As did last years SB champ. Looking back, maybe the Giants and Eagles did it you way…. But since both of them made the playoffs the year before their tank season, I think you're 0-10
