Money is the root of all evil. These guys play for about 10 years...and they can't live on millions the rest of their lives?? I make millions less then them and I am surviving...
I tend to agree with the "fans" point of view or as Southside put it...the socio-led view. Like Jilozzo I'm a long time poster here and for those who know me understand my platform. Having been a former player in the NFL I am absolutely on the Fans side here...as I am now a fan and have been for just under 20 years. I find it incredibly insulting that today's players scoff at $10mil a year because it's not enough. Don't give me that bull crap about "setting your family up for years". 95% of these idiots are broke 10 years out of football...so that argument holds no water...I KNOW the REAL deal. Also, don't think that stance doesn't sit in the backs of the minds of other players. Especially the equally talented players at their respective position. Mangold could easily sit back and ask for insane money...and he TOUCHES the ball every play. But animosity runs deep. ALL these guys work their asses off...just as hard a Revis...at least most do (Jamarcus Russell need not apply here). I work just as hard as you do...I make the 53 man roster and who are YOU to make 80% more than me? That's the logic that rolls rampant...regardless how much playing time you get. Unrealistic...maybe...but accurate. Now I as "Joe Fan" sit here...been laid off since September of 2008 (for real) and you expect me to sympathize with you and take a rational stance? I do not think so...add to that I suffer from many of the same physical maladies that they will in due time...yet I didn't bitch about my salary...I realized I was lucky to be in the NFL at the time...and was grateful. Trust me...we don't "owe" Revis anything...do I enjoy his play...damn skippy! Do I think is play is worth $16.2 mil a year...ummm...no. I find it incredibly insulting when professional athletes use the "beans on the table" statement. That really hurt him in my eyes...I'll be updating my Jersey stable with Harris, not Revis, this year. Peace! The Mezz
Mezz, on the Touches the ball every play item.. Tell me out of the core 5 (including Sanchez) you have Sanchez,Mangold,Ferguson,Harris and Revis... How important would you rank them in that context, considering the demands we're seeing (and not seeing) ?
Finally decided to chime in on this... As fans all we want is a Superbowl title...winning is everything. Especially since we haven't won one in over 40 years. Revis is one of the MOST dominant players in the NFL. When was the last time the Jets had a player of this caliber? When do the Jets ever get this lucky and have a superstar on the team? Next to never. Why after all these years of suffering, and with one of the most talented teams in decades, does this team need to fuck with one of the best players in the league. FUCKING PAY HIM.
I asked my boss for a raise today, he said I should be happy with what I make because children in China work for 10 cents a day. I guess he's right, I'm such an ingrate and should have been comparing my pay to children in China and not people in my profession. I don't think I'll ever ask for another raise or accept an offer from another company that offers more money, I should always be happy with what I make now if it is enough now regardless of whether my situation or value within my industry changes.
Hobbes...right now I rank these guys in the following order from greatest importance to least: 1) Sanchez 2) Mangold 3) Revis 4) Ferguson 5) Harris Now...reminder...this is based on importance to the team. Sanchez gets the number one nod as should EVERY QB in the league. Why?? He touches the ball on every offensive snap. Ditto Mangold...add to the fact that Mangold is also responsible for all of the offensive line calls. Revis is obvious...he makes the defense go...unfortunately, until he has the very real possibility of scoring a touchdown every series this bumps him to number 3. Ferguson....the blind side...watch the movie...you'll understand. That rounds us out to Harris. Now...remember...importance on the team. NOT, based on talent. While Revis is arguably the best corner in the leage...the Jets ability to win a game does not end with him. If Sanchez and Mangold aren't operating at top efficiency...forget about it. The other two are obvious. Yes, Harris is a quiet storm...but games can be won with a different middle linebacker in there. One last obvious point here...with the drafting of Wilson, that really left Revis on an "Island". Especially if Wilson is as good as advertised and from his OTA's. Remember, we're only 2 years removed from Revis being a rookie...it's not like he's been doing this for many years ala Champ Baily. I love Revis, but I think it is clearly asinine that he ask for insane money to trump Asamouga (sp). Everyone on the planet knows Al Davis in a complete idiot and even Asa would agree, under different circumstances, that he is waaayyyy overpaid. That said, while I agree Revis is worth $10mil a year or so...he's is NOT worth $16 mil a year. Only two players in the league are worth that much and they are both QB's and play for the Colts and Patriots. Nuff said. The Mezz
Thanks for the input. Given the state of the roster I would have had Ferguson 3, and then Revis 4a/ Harris 4B.... (I think Rex can deal with replacing a corner especially right now...a LT not so much) But I agree with you on the rest. I was going to post that bit about how the other players are going to view that, but decided not to, at least your experience speaks directly to that (I think it's common sense but with all the Revis Island love going on here...) I fail to see how people don't comprehend that Revis is not negotiating against the Jets Front Office, he's negotiating against his teammates and the on the field product that helps him to be what he is.
Sure, but the real difference is the only leverage Revis has with the Jets right now is public opinion. He held out as a rookie to get the contract he currently has and the Jets have the right to hold him to it. He doesn't like it now and wants a sweeter deal. We all agree that everyone is entitled to get as much as they can for whatever it is they do. But our employers have the corresponding right to tell us to pound sand. Which, in so many words, is what the Jets can tell Revis, at least for now, because they have him under contract. The only way he can leverage himself into a newer, better one is to court public opinion. If he's going to do that, he's running the risk that some of the public are of the opinion that he's acting like a greedy chump.
the Jets certainly can, but they then risk him leaving within the next 3 or 4 years, so if they are content with that rather than having him long term, they are welcome to do so. they also run the risk of alienating other players who disagree with how they handle contract negotiations or value their top players. the Jets only have leverage in regards to the length of Revis' current contract, but there are factors much greater than that the Jets need to be concerned about.
I agree, but what I'm saying is that when he appeals to the public to help his cause, he runs the risk that the public will have zero sympathy that he's only the tenth highest paid cornerback in the universe. That's all I meant. I'm not remotely qualified to tell either Reiver or the Jets how to run their business.
his appeal means nothing to me, just as the Jets leaking info means nothing to me. renegotiating the best deal for both Revis and the Jets benefits them both, and I am a Jets fan who know they are better off with him than without him and want him on the Jets, so I hope that is accomplished.
How about these guys, you know, actually win something before they all start screaming to be paid like World Champions?
if wilson and crom become good cb's, we have an above avg backfield w/o revis. better with revis, but not bad w/o him. is the difference worth $16m/yr? i think 'the rex' would prefer to have revis, but would have a top defense even w/o him. so: keep the offer at $10m/yr. if he takes it great, if not make him playout his contract and sign mangold, brick, harris, crom, and holmes/edwards tomorrow. plus us the extra jack to find jenkins replacement and get abraham back. i can live with that. oh, and ship revis to the lions.
