your right Hydro, i should have said in my opinion he won't be a good pro QB. I apologize, and yes I've been wrong before, but I feel pretty strongly about this one... but after watching tape of games and tape of his "workout" at Texas there a re a few things that bother me about him, that have plagued QB's that are athletic and coming into the league out of college. 1. He's never been under center. Now some might think thats not a big deal. But it is. Reading the field from under center and from 5 yards back in the shotgun are 2 totally different things. The Rush off the Edge gets to you faster than if you were in the shotgun, and he's no longer going to be the best athlete on the field, and will get run down by LB's, DE's, blitzing Safeties and Corners, and even the occasional DT. In watching film of him, he holds on to the ball to long. Good corners who can bait a QB into a throw will have field day with him. 2. His motion. For those who say... he made all the throws. He made all the throws in a controlled enviroment, no elements no nothing... and Everything looked slow, his drop, his delivery and the ball. He was behind his recievers on more than one occassion in crossing routes, and the 3/4 side arm style will lead to a lot of knocked down and batted balls from a QB of his stature. 3. Smarts... he ran first. For those of you who say know, put down the pipe, and watch some more film. Texas out classed 80% of thier opponents in terms of talent over the past 3 to 4 years. He won exactly one big game. If that's deserving of a top 4 pick, than the draft isn't anything but a popularity contest. Those FOOTBALL people that do this stuff for a living will make believer out of all of you when he slips to somewhere in the 6-13 range in the draft. I see him out of the top 5. Sorry born'a horn. I just call them the way I see them. He may one day become a great QB, but it's not going to be in the next 4 to 5 years. He's going to need time to learn the pro game, and how to be a pocket QB, and that doesn't happen over nite. Ellis
I usually dont defend VY you can just ask born'a horn, but VY beat Ohio State at ohio state, michigan in the rose bowl, and usc in the rose bowl . Oklahoma was reloading this year but they still beat them which is kind of a big game win.
I agree with the poster. The last thing I want at #4 is an overhyped, overpaid, and unproven rookie for the LT position. I hope we stay pat at #4 and they take Brick.
This trade is good news for the Jets for the future. Do we need a takle more than a DE? Yes!! But which player can be a top 5 player at their position in 5 yrs?(I think Williams, NOT deanelo yes Mario) Thats how you draft, take the BPA. Plus there are 7!!!! yes, 7 rounds in the draft, the draft isnt made on 1st rnd picks(any moron can do those, but the experts do rnds 2-7) Williams could be our guy, but I am not part of this FO. Lets see who it is, crap, it could be someone we never thought of...... And trading with the Saints? Why do that, if we like Leinart that much do we grade him that much higher than Cutler or Young? why would we have to give up another 1st or 2nd pick in that process. If our FO thinks there is no difference between the top 2 QB's then there will be no trade. Is our office made up of a bunch of 16 yr olds, I dont think so.
I'm talking this year... I forgot about Ohio State early in the season... you know whats funny, I have that game on tape. I was watching tpae on Carpenter and Hawk. But back to Young. I'm not a fan. I think he's more of a project at QB than some of the QB's that can be taken later in the draft such as Croyle, Drew, etc. Let it be known I felt the same way about Vick, and I don't think he has progressed as well as he should have as a QB in the NFL to date yet. Ellis
I don't love Vick but he has been handled terribly. He has a big arm and isn't that accurate. Why put him in the WCO where everything is predicated on short accurate throws? Atlanta should have gone out and gotten TO and let Vick throw the ball down the field to someone who can go up and get it.
we have had long disagreements in the past on VY and his ability at the next level, it was all in good fun but I think I might have to defend Vince a little bit on this one. I ripped Vince before and stated points such as he didnt go under center, he runs a typical college offense etc....BUT I still like him as a player who's gonna give you everything he's got and a great college player. Im not going on his bandwagon b/c I still like Leinart better but Vince isnt Eric Crouch guys.
not to completely meander.... but with the talent Texas had, Oklahoma and Nebraska were not big wins; imagine if Texas lost those games -- they'd be considered chokers, pretenders, etc by losing to teams of lesser caliber, whereas losing to Ohio St. is understandable (even though Texas won) because Ohio St. was a very good team. cheers
Your point is valid, its kind of in between a big game and a regular win b/c texas oklahoma/nebraska are big time rivalry games. True they were expected victories but :shit:
As long as the Titans have drafted Leinart and we have drafted Williams - and not the other way around .
:up: I hope so, im going to the draft and not a day goes by where I pray that we dont mess this up. I have faith in Mike T but the sight of Paul Tagliabue announcing the name Jay Cutler goes through my mind
eh, it all depends on how our scouts and FO feel about the guy, you have to have some faith that they know what they're doing or else you're just another boring darksider
What the heck do you want us to do with our offensive line then? Keep Adrian Jones and Marko Cavka as the starters? Sign a tackle whose still available only because no team was willing to pay them any money? Unless I'm missing something there is no option to upgrade the offensive line aside from the draft. So why wouldn't you want to take Ferguson? He's an outstanding blocker, both for passing and running. He's got great footwork and can deal with the fastest pass rushers in the game. He's a 4 year starter. He's team captain material. What's the problem? That he's not as heavy as somebody like McNeil? This isn't some sort of conspiracy. There's a reason that most people consistently rank Ferguson as the #2 or #3 prospect in the entire draft. Just out of curiosities sake, Mario Williams and D'Brickashaw Ferguson both played in the ACC. How did Super Mario do against Ferguson?
Virginia didnt play NC State last year I dont know why people discredit Ferguson so much even though hes been considered a top 5 pick for 2 yrs now. Last year, was considered a top 5 pick if he came out his junior season. Beginning of this year, still a top 5 pick. Middle of the season, playing injured, still a top 5 pick. End of the season, during the Senior Bowl, still a top 5 pick. After the combine, still a top 5 pick. Now why is it alot of people on this board dont consider him a top 5 pick. Hes been scrutinized for 2 yrs now, and is still viewed by the majority as a top 5 pick and the best LT in this years draft.
I agree. But what a lot of people refuse to acknowledge is that, barring anything unforseen, D'Brickashaw Ferguson will be the best player available.
