Running game is our root problem

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  1. Noam

    Noam Well-Known Member

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    If we had a NFL caliber Qb that defenses respected running the ball would not be a problem.

    Without a QB it exposes Greene's limitations. He is at the bottom of the league in yards after contact, is a straight line runner who cannot change direction and seems to lack vision. Hopefully Powell will develop or we will be drafting a RB next year along with a new QB.
     
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  2. BookEndTackles 72&79

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    I agree on Greene. He definitely leaves yards out there on the field. It's frustrating. Never makes anyone miss, can't see a cutback lane and can't make a quick move to get that extra yard or two.

    Alot of people want to see McKnight but if you've watched this season how Powell is picking up the blitz you see why he is gonna be the #2 back. Not sold on Powell as a runner yet but blitz pickup is so important in the NFL and I think McKnight is weak in that department giving Powell the edge.

    We'll see McKnight and maybe even Kerley in the backfield with the Tebow package so McKnight will get a few touches per game.
     
  3. Jtuds

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    Mangold run blocks well too. The problem is we don't have a Mangold/Faneca/Brick connectionanywhere on the line. If Slauson run blocked better, we'd be great up the middle. Brick's average run blocking was helped by Faneca back in the day, and we ran to that side a lot. Is Austin Howard can run block and we find a TE who can help, I think runs to the right will be very viable.
     
  4. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    We spent 3 draft picks to get Shonne Greene. If he's not a No. 2 we're in trouble. We don't have much in the way of capable WR's for a passing attack. We have the complimentary #2 in Holmes and the slot guy (maybe) in Kerley. After that we have a mix of raw talent that might be something and No. 4 guys who aren't ever going to be more than that.

    I'll give you Keller as a real asset only if the Jets find a No.1, When the opponents only have to focus on Holmes and Keller the Jets get shut down pretty reliably.
     
  5. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    We moved up in the third round to get him. We moved into the first to get Keller, we gave up a second for a year to get Holmes and gave him a boatload of cash to tie him up treating him like a top 10 WR. We moved up in the second to get Hill and we moved up in the first to get Sanchez.

    The hyperbole on the 3 picks for Greene aside, this team was clearly built personal wise to pass the ball.
     
  6. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    They traded a 5th for Holmes, but yes he was overpaid
     
  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Well, the Jets have done a lot of trading up but I'd argue that they haven't been built with a coherent plan to pass the ball.

    They traded up for Keller because they wanted a tight end for Brett Favre to throw the ball too. They weren't going to bring Brett Favre in and have him throwing to Chris Baker.

    The WR's when Sanchez came in were Jerrico Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey and Brad Smith. That's clearly not the personnel you want to have a heavy passing attack. They traded for Braylon Edwards because they had nobody to push the defense deep and open things up underneath.

    The next year they went and got Holmes because they still didn't have 3 decent WR's on the roster even after they got Edwards. The Edwards and Holmes moves weren't to facilitate a heavy passing attack they were to give the Jets openers in having a balanced offense.

    Last year's additions were players who had played in balanced offenses, not heavy passing attacks. Plaxico Burress and Anthony Mason came off of teams that ran the ball a bit more than they passed it. Plaxico's last year with the Giants they threw the ball 491 times and ran it 502. Mason's last year with the Ravens they passed the ball 491 times ran it 487.

    Stephen Hill's Georgia Tech teams? yeah, a rush based offense.

    These Jets have not ever been built to facilitate a high-powered passing attack anywhere but possibly in Mike Tannenbaum's imagination.
     
  8. CJGreen

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    A QB? Sanchez has looked great all preseason.He had some bad passes that hit the receivers in the hands but other than that his accuracy and decision making has been great. I think there is no reason for a new QB, just maybe a more elusive RB, or give Mcknight more carries.

    What about FA RBs, anyone out there who can play change of pace?
     
  9. Don

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    The fact that Tebow on 5 carries had as many yards as Greene did on 13 would make some believe the OP is correct.
     
  10. CJGreen

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    Derrick Ward, Ryan Torrain, Cadillac Williams, these guys might be worth a shot. RT and Ward would seemingly be good fits IMO
     
  11. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Carolina was in full run blitz mode. They weren't respecting the pass very much and it showed in both the performances of the passing and running games.

    Greene will be fine. I'd be happy getting a complement to him since I don't have faith in any of the backups... particularly in the case of injury.
     
  12. ouchy

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    I agree that Greene lacks some field vision but our struggles in short yardage point to problems on the line. We keep losing the battle up front in short yardage situations. If our QBs start to struggle our running game is going to fold like a cheap suite.
     
  13. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    I and everyone else stopped reading right there
     
  14. MexicanJet

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    Because you and everyone else are clueless.
     
  15. CJGreen

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    You stopped reading when you heard some common sense? How about checking Mark's numbers. How about watching the games. Better yet, please tell me what he has done wrong, besides not being named Tebow? Take your time, I'll wait.
     
  16. HardHitta

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    I think Greene will be solid for us but we need a good back up. I don't trust McKnight, So if Bilal can do it or not is to be seen.
     
  17. Danny@ATL

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    0 touchdowns.
     
  18. abyzmul

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    I think jonny should have bolded 'all preseason' in addition to 'great'. I think he looked very solid against the Panthers, but there are 'great' quarterbacks who can perform under pressure far better than Sanchez did in the first two games.

    I don't think he's 'great', but I think he has a lot of promise. We did see the amount of confidence he had once WFH stopped trying to get him killed, so that's a plus. But let's not exaggerate his skills.
     
  19. BookEndTackles 72&79

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    That's completely false. Keller was drafted in 2008. Favre was brought in AFTER training camp started that year.
     
  20. CJGreen

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    He can't throw and catch the ball. He doesn't run or block in short yardage situations. He can control his own performance. In the game against the Giants he was 9-11......over 80% completion percentage!! The first game he had limited reps and spent most of them on his back. Put those stats in perspective and compare them to other quality qbs around the league.
     

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