Roger Clemens is a New York Yankee again.

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  1. ShadeTree#55

    ShadeTree#55 Active Member

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    They should have hired Michael Buffer to announce the signing.

    Yanks = Bush league.
     
  2. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    Yeah,at this point you are right,but i don't see it holding up that way. Beckett doesn't scare me for a full season,nor does Wakefield. The Yankees hit Matsuzaka well twice and usually hit Schilling well.
    I think a lot of people are looking are looking at the Clemens return the wrong way. I am hoping he can pitch well,but he isn't going to be a savior. He will be a good mentor for the young guys and a great presence to have on the team. But all this talk of the Yankees needing to be saved is ridiculous. They would be fine with or with out Clemens. They start down every year.
     
  3. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    It was a stupid reply to a stupid comment that maybe the Yankees can get to .500 now that they have Clemens. An in kind retort.
     
  4. Pride

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    well said, could not have said it better my self
     
  5. tcrock

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    how's Clemens going to be a good mentor for the young guys when he's at home sitting on his couch between starts?
     
  6. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    What makes you think he will be? Just because he can be? That would be a mistake.
     
  7. AlioTheFool

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    This question was actually addressed in the broadcast booth yesterday. Clemens himself stated that he would be with the team for the duration. No more sitting home when he isn't starting.

    I think it's probably a case of "Hey, we're giving you $18M to play for us, you need to show up every day."
     
  8. tcrock

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    I dunno man, according to everything I'm reading/hearing today...he has the same sweetheart deal he had with Houston.....home whenever he wants to be as long as he shows for the start.....

    but claiming, he doesn't know that because he hasn't even read the contract....yeah right

    Francesa, Mr Yankee fan himself...is embarrased by the whole thing as most Yanks fans should be

    Cashman is actually on WFAN..explaining why they let him have this deal

    "The Family Plan" hilarious
     
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  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    There's also a difference when "home" is 3 miles from the ballpark instead of 1500. The logistics alone make it not very plausible unless it's an emergency.
     
  10. AlioTheFool

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    Guys, I agree Clemens is no savior. As I said, he's a band-aid. He patches a hole in the rotation left by a ridiculous number of injuries. Plus, he brings a different workout ethic back, which was clearly lacking with that S&C coach.

    But you really have to stop kidding yourselves. The Red Sox are good. Very good, actually. Probably the best I've seen in quite some time. Thier pen is on less rest because their starters are going deeper into games. The starters are going deeper because they are dominating the opposition.

    Beckett is looking like last year was the abberation, not the rule. He's leading the majors with 6 wins already. Matsuzaka may be getting behind, but good hitting catches up quicker than good pitching. Keep in mind, a pitcher has to be all but perfect for 20+ hitters. Only one hitter out of three needs to play well though.

    Wakefield is 8th in ERA (2.11) Beckett 18th (2.72) Schilling 37th (3.28) Matsuzaka 78th (5.45)

    By contrast, the Yankees have exactly one starter in the top ONE HUNDRED in ERA: Andy Pettitte 26th (3.00)

    If that doesn't concern you, and you think it doesn't speak volumes for Boston, you may want to start getting concerned.

    Never mind the AL East, right now, Boston is the team to beat in the American League. If it weren't for the Mets having a pitcher like Maine, I'd say Boston was the team to beat in the entire sport.
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I think you are giving them way too much credit. I'm not at all concerned that Boston will maintain this pace. On the other side, if they were really as good as you say and the Yankees have had 4 starters on the DL along with Matsui, a bullpen that has been worn out and Damon missing games every other day, then why is the lead only 5 games? It should be 9 or 10. I think if I were a Boston fan I would be really nervous right now.
     
  12. tcrock

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    like he won't be able to afford to fly?

    let's face it, this is a PR nightmare for the Yankee org...and again a no win situation. Just provides more fodder if they don't win it all.
     
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  13. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Well, they are below .500, and he was saying that now they might not be. Sounds pretty factual to me.

    Link? Any kind of proof whatsoever? I'm pretty sure you like to amuse yourself by making up fake news.

    And it hasn't been overused because the rotation has been incredible.

    Wakefield has been on the DL exactly once in his long career, last year with a freak injury. He's the poster child for durability. Other than his ankle injury, the only other significant injuries in his career were a DL stint for an appendectomy, and a broken hand after being hit by a line drive. He certainly shouldn't be considered injury-prone. I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with Matsuzaka getting one day less rest between starts. He's also throwing FAR fewer pitches per game and not completing as many starts as he had in Japan. That balances it out, and even then, it's not that big a deal in the first place.

    Manny has averaged 142 games a year since joining the Red Sox, and that counts last year when he had tendinitis in his knee and missed 32 games, and 2002 when he broke a bone in his hand and missed 42 games. So for all the talk about him missing too many games, he's been very durable as well. Ortiz has never been on the DL.

    Seriously, stop posting if you are just going to continue to spew nonsense that has no basis in fact.
     
  14. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    haha..riled, eh? Let's see how you feel a month from now. By then you will have disappeared.
     
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    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Why is it only 5 games? Because they've only played 30. If you take the winning percentages, it's the same as having a 30 game lead at the end of the season. And again, it's the biggest division lead in baseball. I'm not nervous at all at this point, not as long as the Sox keep pitching like they have been.
     
  16. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    Ignoring my questions eh? You must not have any answers. I'm not riled, just pointing out how stupid you are.

    And I've been here 3 years buddy, I'm not disappearing to anywhere. I was here last year when the Sox collapsed from the injuries and poor pitching, and I'll be here in a month no matter what the records are.
     
  17. AlioTheFool

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    Well, I think you're taking away far too much credit.

    Why wouldn't they continue this pace? They have a solid lineup. (Sure, it's weaker at the bottom than ours is, but that doesn't make it weak.)

    Their pitching trumps ours, by a lot. All the excuses in the world don't change the fact that their starting rotation is winning games, and ours isn't.

    They took 2 of 3 from KC to start the year.
    Then 1 of 3 from Texas.
    1 of 2 from Seattle.
    3 of 3 from the Angels (a combined score of 25-3!)
    2 of 3 from the Blue Jays.
    3 of 3 from us.
    Lost 2 to Toronto.
    Beat the O's twice.
    2 of 3 from us (combined score of 19-11.)
    Split 2 with the A's.
    Took a single game from Seattle.
    And 2 of 3 from the Twins.

    They are 20-10. How much more can a team do? The only team so far with a winning record against them is Texas.

    You're underestimating them. That's a dangerous game. After the so-called GYC, I never underestimate Boston. They're a team built to win just like us. The difference is, they know it, and they show it.

    Trust me, I want to see them implode. I'm a Yankees fan, and always have been. But sometimes you have to look reality in the face.
     
  18. Don

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    The Yankees will have their 11th starter going today. A new record. Half of them have been at a level between single A and triple A. The lead is 5 1/2 games. Whether 30 games have been played or 60 or 90 it's 5 1/2. Games going forward favor nobody at this point. Maybe the Yankees because of their lineup. At least we have 3 starters now instead of 1 or 2.
     
  19. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I'm neither your buddy or stupid. I look at the history and expect it to happen again, it always does.
     
  20. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    And I'm done with you.
     

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