I still don't know why I'm "patently wrong" when Clemens is the guy who was suspended. My main point in this thread is that what Clemens did was wrong. MLB claims the same. So, how exactly am I "patently wrong"?
Also, what devil wrote really does not make sense. If Clemens was in the right, he would not have been suspended.
What Clemens did WAS NOT WRONG. But you are. You wanted to hear from someone else, a person detached from you and I, who could be impartial towards the situation and view it objectively. devil is about as impartial in this case as is physically possible. He's a Red Sox fan, and one would have to believe that ANY opportunity to dog the Yankees would be taken by a Sox fan. He agrees that Clemens was fully justified. As for MLB, they HAVE to suspend him. You can't just allow guys to throw at other guys, regardless of the justification. Using MLB's sentence to find Clemens "wrong" is ridiculous. (BTW: You do realize that any time a player is ejected from a game, he gets suspended, right?) At the same time, Clemens needed to throw at Rios. Alex was thrown at twice, and if you can't admit that was wrong, then you're not even trying to carry a conversation, and in turn, doing nothing more than trolling. (Or more properly, baiting.)
You know what, now you're purposely being ridiculous, and not even attempting to carry on a conversation. I used to think you were a quality poster, but I see now I was wrong. My fault. Don't worry, I won't bother you with intelligent posts any further.
I wanted someone from outside the site. Read my post again. Of course, I was not serious about that anyway- it was a hypothetical. You think I'm really going to bring in an arbitrator for this shit? Also, FYI: devil does not like me based on last year's all-time baseball draft. You could look it up. Clemens was right, but still suspended, you say. Yeah, maybe, I guess, yeah, okay, you're right. I see that now.
I also think you are being ridiculous. Clemens can nail a batter and get suspended, but what he did was perfectly fine? Yeah, okay, whatever, man.
I can't simultaneously say that Clemens was right and the suspension was proper at the same time. At this point in the season, I'd take an extra Clemens start (versus Igawa) over payback. It's a complex issue, however. I wouldn't mind if the teams were able to sort this out themselves.
First of all, I don't dislike you. I think you can be an enormous attention whoring baby, but I don't have any inherent ill will toward you. Even if I loathed the fact that you were ever born, it has nothing to do with this. What I posted makes perfect sense. By the written rules of the game, Clemens should be suspended. By the unwritten code of conduct/honor among players Clemens should have hit someone. Why do you think no one charged the mound. Rios didn't even really say anything. Keep in mind I hate Clemens and the Yankees far more than I could ever have any feelings at all toward you. I'm certainly not going to defend them just to spite you.
I didn't think that was the case at all. Then Alio mentioned you as being as being someone who could be impartial and judging by your ill comments to me we now can see that you are not suited to be impartial here.
Ill comments? All I said that could be considered that was my opinion of how you have acted more than once with your "I'm retiring from the board" nonsense. It has nothing to do with being impartial and does not indicated dislike. It's merely my opinion of your actions. I don't know you well enough to sincerely dislike or like you. As I said, my hatred for Clemens and all things Yankees FAR FAR FAR outweighs any feelings positive or negative that I may have for you or any other poster here outside of Kurt.
That was great, wasn't it? More than once? There was actually only one time and it did last for two whole weeks! There was another time early in the 2006 season when I said I'd stay away from the baseball threads for a spell (I think that was because I got into too many arguments with Mets and Yankees fans; its getting obvious to me that the baseball forum is not my cup of tea). I did stay away from baseball threads for a bit. Maybe that's what you are referring to when you write "more than once."
Sigh... I don't feel like looking up the specifics, but I remember you saying it in regards to the football draft in the NFL forum and then in the baseball draft and again in another random thread. But whatever, that has nothing to do with the point of this thread. And my opinion on that has nothing to do with Clemens. The end.
I haven't read this whole thread but I'll weigh in with my opinion anyway. Clemens should have been thrown out because of the rule as it now stands. The problem is the rule is wrong. A warning should never be issued without somebody being tossed to begin with. If an umpire is issuing a warning that means he thinks somebody was deliberately thrown out and that person should be ejected right there. Umpires have the power to do that but rarely do. If they did then there would never be need for retaliation. What happens now is one team always gets a free shot at the other with no penalty at all.
