"Oftentimes" is a little vague. Have any proof that? Oh right... your vast and in-depth observation of the game for twenty years.
I also heard numerous people say it rarely, if ever, happened. No kidding it's not an unwritten rule. I put "rule" in quotations for a reason. I don't have a better term to use. "Argumentum..." If this occurred in a Royals-Blue Jays game you wouldn't hear a peep from me. Because it happened in a Yankees game and a Yankees player got into some trouble for it, I jumped all over it. Since many other people think it was wrong, I jumped aboard for the ride to irk some Yankees fans. I don't think this was a case of me being deceived, rather it was an opportunity for me to annoy some people. (I do that here with Yankees fans and some non-Jets fans. Otherwise, I usually conduct myself nicely here.)
The burden of proof isn't on me. I wasn't the one making conclusive claims about what is or is not done in the game of baseball.
Do you honestly think I am going to do any research to find specific examples of pitchers needing multiple pitches to hit a batter? There's no easy, quick way for me to do it. I'd have to spend serious time in the public library and read old game recaps. If you watch baseball at all, you know it has happened. C'mon, put aside our Yankees vs Mets hating for a moment, and at least give me that. Look at any MLB beanball brawls. I don't know, 10%, 25%, 40%, 50% of the time there is a pitcher who tries to hit a batter, misses, and then tries again. I don't know how many exact times it has happened, but it has happened quite a bit.
I am wondering why the announcers I heard complanied about The Blue Jays hitting ARod for a bush league move and praised Clemens for having his back.
No, I don't. But I DO expect you to realize that - if you're going to make a claim - you can't then turn around and say, "Well you can't DISprove it, so nyah!" It doesn't work that way. If you're going to make a claim, back it up. I've only seen that happen one pitch later. I don't know how often. But without fail, the pitcher who throws at a batter twice gets tossed.
Wrong, oftentimes, to use your own word, as soon as an attempt is made to throw at a batter, a warning is issued to both dugouts, and no further action can be taken by either side, else ejection will follow. Stop trying to shovel the water out of your raft, there's a gaping hole in the bottom.
Clemens was 150% right to hit Rios. The suspension is also 150% justified. It was clearly intentional, and any intentional beaning has to result in a suspension, but at the same time, sometime you HAVE to hit a guy. As for the original Arod play, it was VERY bush. That kind of thing doesn't even happen in the Sunday rec league I just got home from. The main reason is he did NOT yell "HA", he yelled "MINE". When you're fielding a ball, as soon as you hear that it's instinctive to let up if you aren't the one who said it. If runners are going around doing that, eventually fielders will stop reacting to it and there would be a LOT more collisions and likely serious injuries.
That may be true. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong in my life. You're also telling me Major League Baseball is wrong. Wouldn't be the first time Major League Baseball was wrong. However, bring an arbitrator into this thread. Find one that isn't a Yankees or Mets fan. Find one that is new to the board and therefore does not have any bias against you or me. Find one that knows about these Yankees-Blue Jays incidents. You know who the arbitrator would side with? More than likely me. Why? The Rocket Man was suspended as opposed to any Blue Jays. That's the bottom line, bro.
If that is a classic example of trolling, so be it. I also write odd stuff in Mets threads. The regular season is too tedious for me. I get through it by joking around. I rarely ever discuss baseball strategy ("Why did Willie pinch hit this guy?", "Why did Torre take him out of the game?") until the postseason. I think you want to try to have fun with baseball in the regular season. There was a poster in this thread who tried to offend me in two separate posts by mocking my comments regarding the number of years I've watched baseball. I don't know that I have actually taken shots at posters here (but maybe I'm wrong or forgot a post or two). I think I take shots at the Yankees. There's a difference. If you can't handle me trashing the Yankees, you need to develop thicker skin. Remember when the Tigers ended the Yankees season last year? I was travelling home from Pennsylvania during the game. I arrived home in NJ for the last two innigs. I went online as soon as the game ended. My first post contained four words. "Baseball is good again." A couple Yankees fans got bent out of shape. Now that was classic. I made a comment regarding the Yankees- not a poster. Again, I don't think I mock Yankees fans here unless they first fire a shot at me. That has been my M.O. here. You'll have to look long and hard to find a case where I took some sort of unprovoked personal shot at a fellow TGG poster.
That qualifies as mocking you? Is sarcasm not welcome here? You think I'm trying to offend you, and suggest that others grow thicker skin in the same breath? I don't get it, dude.
You wrote in a mocking, condescending manner in post 41. It was not necessary. I suggested a poster grow thicker skin when I mock a team. If you don't comprehend the difference between mocking a team and a fellow TGG member, then I can't help you. If that is the case you and I should go our separate ways and leave one another alone.
I think you're reading a bit much into my "manner" but whatever, dude. Sorry. I wasn't mocking a member. I wasn't mocking you, Cakes, the poster on TGG. If I were mocking anything, I was mocking the idea that twenty years of watching baseball on television and/or playing at whatever various level nullifies the testimony of others more intimately tied to the game who say it did/does happen. If you are so attached to this idea (as attached as some people might be to their teams, incidentally) that any good-natured sarcasm directed at the idea is taken as personal affronts... *shrugs* You got it, dude.
Now this is a reply I appreciate. I make sarcastic posts here, too. It's always (or at least almost always) directed at a player or team or a poster I have a history with such as Raiderjoe. You kind of came out of nowhere to take some level of a shot at me when I was simply trashing a team. The reason I noted how long I watched baseball, number of books I read, etc., was to portray the fact that I am not some 14-year old kid here who doesn't really have a clue. We know there are many teens here who will post some crazy stuff now and again. I was trying to intimate that I am not exactly new to baseball. Again, I liked your recent post. That's an acceptable one.
And you'd be patently wrong. Interestingly enough, said poster's entry appeared right before the one from you I am quoting now. Just to save everyone a little time and energy, here's what he said: That's a full 100% agreement with everything I said Cakes. And he's a Red Sox fan.
